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1 posted on 09/15/2003 2:02:06 AM PDT by kattracks
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You know, even if France and Germany thought we were wrong, they could have, as allies, given us the benefit of the doubt and helped out.

No, their shirking of responsibility has a darker motive. They hate seeing the USA in the premier power position in the world and they saw no downside to opposing us on the Iraq war. They are forever suspect.

2 posted on 09/15/2003 2:05:59 AM PDT by Az Joe
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You may be interested in this blog http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/
3 posted on 09/15/2003 2:08:29 AM PDT by alnitak ("That kid's about as sharp as a pound of wet liver" - Foghorn Leghorn)
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Actually WWIV. WWIII was the Cold War.
4 posted on 09/15/2003 2:09:40 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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Bush should level with the American people about the duplicity of France and, to a lesser extent, Germany. I know this would cause an uproar, but what the French have done to hurt America and Israel is unconscionable.

Nah. That's not his style. France's and Germany's actions stood on their own. Anyone who was paying attention realizes it. To the rest, I don't see it making a difference. They are the kind of people Jay Leno interviews on the street, who don't even know who the Vice-President is. It's just too hard for them to think about such things.

5 posted on 09/15/2003 2:22:29 AM PDT by FlyVet
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"As long as the Palestinians are denied a state, the propaganda machine that demonizes Israel and America will roll along unchallenged in the Arab world."

Yep,however even if that did happen the violence would not stop.

"For Israel to cooperate in this effort fully, it needs to feel secure."

Which is probably the main reason it won't happen.

The war on terrorism can't be one with military might alone.This war will eventually become very personal for everybody...and questions about what people actually believe are going to be asked in a very official manner.

God bless

mitch

6 posted on 09/15/2003 2:24:28 AM PDT by mitch5501 (by the grace of God,I am what I am)
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"Islamic fanatics...want to kill Americans"

We must stop them, whatever the cost. We have no choice.

And it will never be easier to stop them than it is now.

"World War III is underway"

"you and your family are in danger."

"brainwashed fanatics have us in their sights."

You're right, Bill. Keep telling it like it is. Democrats/"Liberals"/Leftists, in politics, academia, and "journalism", are dangerously misleading the public in order to serve their own interests.

7 posted on 09/15/2003 2:26:35 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The American Heartland--the Spirit of Flight 93)
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There are around the world thousands of Islamic fanatics who want to kill Americans because they believe Allah is down with that.

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Make that figure hundreds of millions.

8 posted on 09/15/2003 2:36:52 AM PDT by RLK
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Once again, Bill is right on.
9 posted on 09/15/2003 2:42:11 AM PDT by exnavy
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the hatred many Arabs have toward us

The goal is to win their respect, not a popularity contest.

The only thing that Arabs respect is raw power and violence.

Respect and increased vigilance are the reasons why we have not seen another attack since 9/11.


BUMP

11 posted on 09/15/2003 3:15:26 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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"The United Nations is a chaotic chamber with no sense of urgency about terrorism and no sympathy toward the U.S."


When will we ever abandon this utterly useless organization?
Why not form a useful organization that includes the 28 nations that are with us in Iraq and screw the rest of them? Who needs "friends" like Germany, France and Russia as "allies"?
12 posted on 09/15/2003 3:21:25 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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FYI - Links of Interest:


AS-SAHWAH.com: IslamicAwakening.Com Discussion Board: Jihaad: "AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI: A MESSAGE FROM AL-QAEDA" -Posted by Abdul Aziz (September 14, 2003) (Note: Abdul Aziz lists this e-mail address alhaqq@jeeran.com and this web site url http://alhaqq.jeeran.com/ on his profile page.)
FBI.gov - War On Terrorism: "SEEKING INFORMATION" (Read More...)

FBI.gov: "MOST WANTED TERRORISTS" (Read More...)

FBI.gov - Field News: "$5,000,000 AWARD OFFER FOR INFORMATION LEADING TO THE ARREST OF JABER ELBANEH" (September 9, 2003) (Read More...)

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE: "PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT - WORLDWIDE CAUTION" September 10, 2003) (Read More...)

SEPTEMBER 11, 2001: "ATTACK ON AMERICA!" (September 11, 2003) (Read More...)

13 posted on 09/15/2003 3:29:13 AM PDT by Cindy
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Why should we care?

It seems our leaders don't care to address the obvious breach that is our borders.

14 posted on 09/15/2003 4:16:54 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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"This time, there is no exit strategy. It's us or them."

Amen. I thought I was the only one who thought this way.

15 posted on 09/15/2003 4:19:01 AM PDT by joyful1
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good post bump
16 posted on 09/15/2003 4:31:15 AM PDT by scan58
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The WoT won't be over until we knock out the SA and their lackeys in Paskistan
20 posted on 09/15/2003 5:02:30 AM PDT by Cronos (W2004)
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O'Reilly Bump
21 posted on 09/15/2003 5:07:03 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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For a country smack in the middle of World War III, we certainly are a blasé bunch. We're worried about how much fighting the people who want to kill us will cost, and whether we have an exit strategy in Iraq. Craven politicians and crazed columnists are second-guessing President Bush, who at times looks like he's first-guessing the nation's foreign policy. Since Bush, for some inexplicable reason, will not spell it out for you, it falls on me to do so. There are around the world thousands of Islamic fanatics who want to kill Americans because they believe Allah is down with that. These people are taught from childhood that Jews and Americans are undeserving of life on this planet. There is no negotiation with most of these zealots; there is nothing one can say to dissuade them. They want blood, and they will use any and all means to get it.

This highlights one of the problems with not actually having a Declaration of War. The enemy is poorly defined and the terms required for armistice are anybody's guess. Into this vacuum, the President's political foes can throw whatever craven terms they please.

Not a surprise at all.


23 posted on 09/15/2003 5:15:34 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Arnold opposes the driver's licenses, but he also wants to lobby DC to legalize Illegal Aliens. Ah.)
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too true.
24 posted on 09/15/2003 5:16:37 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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We're worried about how much fighting the people who want to kill us will cost

You can bet the farm that the brutal and negative media coverage of this WAR would NOT exist if the XIMPOTUS (or any gimmie for that matter) were the C-in-C. Also if there were Repulican candidates they certainly COULD not get away with the personal attacks on a gimmie president. Imagine if you will a Trent Lott calling say President Al Gore a GANG LEADER!!

26 posted on 09/15/2003 5:27:40 AM PDT by PISANO
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What everyone seems to forget is that this war on terrorism will not only go on for years, but it will go one under different administrations.

This is NOT Bush's war as the liberals would have us believe. This is a war that may conceivably span future generations, and future presidents from both parties. Americans will be living on a war-time footing over a long period of time, and this process will alter the mentality of future Americans as well as the leaders they pick.


The aberrant behavior of the 60's flower children will no longer apply to future Americans who have threats of skyscrapers falling on their heads, and future leaders cannot expect to be elected on issues that divide the nation rather than bring it together. Security will be uppermost on the minds of Americans, and future elected leaders that allow terrorist's to damage American soil will have a short political career. Liberals will have to come to terms with the future steeling of American will, and that the Jane Fonda-types, giving aid to those who would destroy us, will be harshly held accountable for their actions.



Because there are so many terrorists it's logical to assume that a few will breach our security people, and cause another 9/11. The "odds" favor such a disaster happening by those who wish to destroy our way of life. If such an event happened under a liberal administration it would spell political disaster for liberals everywhere. Threats of annihilation tend to make Americans testy, and testy Americans who have weapons of mass destruction are not to be trifled with. Our enemy's need only remember that America went nuclear once before, and that was under a Democratic President.


30 posted on 09/15/2003 6:23:31 AM PDT by Noachian (Liberalism belongs to the Fool, the Fraud, and the Vacuous.)
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