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Gay dads want their son to grow up straight
The Sun-Herald, Sydney, Australia ^ | September 14, 2003 | By Candace Sutton and Larry Schwartz

Posted on 09/14/2003 2:54:25 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie

Two men and a baby... Tony Wood and Lee Matthews playing with baby Alexander.

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An extraordinary documentary about how two gay men flew to America and hired a surrogate mother to have a son is set to rekindle the debate about what constitutes an Australian family.

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In the US they call it the "gayby boom".

In Australia, where laws vary, it is still the centre of emotional and ethical controversy.

Tony Wood, 40, and Lee Matthews, 34, are an upper-middle-class professional couple who decided five years ago they wanted to be parents.

The men each donated their sperm to fertilise eggs donated by a young American woman they chose after studying a catalogue in a process "very cut and dried, like retail shopping".

The resulting embryos were then impregnated into another American woman, who gave birth to a 2.8 kilogram boy, Alexander, in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, last December.

In a process which is banned in most countries around the world, the men used a California-based surrogacy and egg donation firm, Growing Generations, which is dedicated to the gay and lesbian community. The firm's website says it has assisted with the birth of at least 196 babies in cases from around the world.

There is no law prohibiting surrogacy in NSW (New South Wales, Australia’s most populous State.) But no contract between parties to undergo surrogacy would be recognised in the courts and the legal status and the nationality of a child born overseas would be under question.

The Melbourne couple brought Alexander back to Australia and now plan to raise the boy, who Mr Matthews said he hoped would grow up "straight" rather than gay, in a two-father family.

Despite the fact that the woman who carried Alexander, Junoa, is flying to Australia in December for his first birthday, Mr Wood and Mr Matthews do not consider her the boy's mother.

"She is not actually the mother . . . at the end of the day you have two dads, you don't have a mum," Mr Matthews said.

The men, who have been a couple for 14 years, initially encountered some "vehement" opposition from within the gay community to their plans to parent.

But they said increasing numbers of gay couples, particularly lesbians, were opting for parenthood.

"We believe our family is entitled to the same recognition as other families," Mr Wood said.

The men's story is expected to stir up a controversy when it airs as an SBS (government-funded, left-leaning TV network) documentary, Man-Made: The Story Of Two Men And A Baby, on September 30.

Community division on the subject of gay unions was highlighted by Prime Minister John Howard's recent comment that "if the same status is given in our society to gay unions as is given to traditional marriage, we will weaken that bedrock institution".

A spokesman for the Catholic Church said yesterday gay male parents were denying a child its natural right "to the love and nurture of a mother".

"With stolen children (children allegedly taken by Australian government authorities from their aboriginal parents, earlier this century), adoptions and all those things of the past 40 years, we have seen the problems that come with family situations than couldn't be avoided.

"What are we creating with these children? This is a case of adults fulfilling their own desires, but it is the children who suffer."

Bill Muehlenberg, vice-president of the Australian Family Association, said one of several concerns was "the commodification of children, the idea of baby-buying and all that goes with it". He said surrogacy, "with or without homosexual couples", was problematic.

"We may be placating the whims and fancies of adults but too often the very real interests of children are being overlooked in the debate," he said.

But Dr Justin Oakley, director of Monash University's Centre for Human Bioethics, said: "I don't see there's any particular problem with it and I think it's a shame [Mr Matthews and Mr Wood] have had to resort to such means in order to become parents or to become fathers."

Mr Matthews said he believed he and his partner had become parents "for all the right reasons . . . because we thought we could offer . . . a nurturing, protective and supportive environment.

"Parenthood isn't right for everyone. There's a huge lobby that sees surrogacy, and surrogacy in particular for same sex couples, as devil worship."

Mr Wood said they went through with it "because we love kids and thought we'd get a lot out of it ourselves and . . . hasn't it turned out better than you could have imagined".

"We have the perfect child. Every parent probably says that.

"He's an absolute delight, just amazing and he's got the most wonderful nature."

The couple said yesterday they were not necessarily advocating surrogacy and costs would be prohibitive to many gay couples.

Mr Matthews said he knew of "a handful of gay men" in Australia with their own babies. It had become far more common in the US.

In the documentary film, William Halms, of Growing Generations, says costs are so high he calls his own three children who were born in the program, "$75,000 babies". A first- time surrogate mother is paid $US20,000 ($30,130), a second-time one is paid $US25,000 and so on.

Egg donors, mostly college students, received an average $US5000, he said.

Mr Matthews and Mr Wood declined to reveal how much they had spent. The St Kilda men have maintained frequent email, mail and telephone communication with the surrogate mother.

Junoa, herself a mother of two, says in the documentary that she had long wanted to be a surrogate mother.

"I wanted to give someone who really wanted children the chance to parent," she says.

"To imagine not being able to have children destroys me."

After the birth, she says the process has left her with "a little fear, a little heartbreak, but a lot of pride".

"I thought, 'him leaving is going to break my heart', but then I am so proud his daddies will get to take care of him and raise him," she says.

But nevertheless she looks wistful and depressed before parting with the child.

Mr Matthews and Mr Wood have not ruled out having more children.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: austrailia; catholiclist; childhood; documentary; fatherhood; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; males; prisoners; surrogates
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To: Texas Eagle
ROTFLMAO

Cat is just a nice person who doesn't have opinions about others except those that have "opinions about others".

One must be Christ-like to have opinions about behavior don't you know?

Relativism is a wonderful thing....sort of like equivocating morality....the grease that keeps our indignation and guilt rolling along.
21 posted on 09/14/2003 3:40:48 PM PDT by wardaddy (Roland will be missed by me.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Some have to come here to let everyone know how progressive they are.
22 posted on 09/14/2003 3:40:51 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: george wythe
Aspen and Saffron
23 posted on 09/14/2003 3:40:54 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Boy Howdy Bump!
24 posted on 09/14/2003 3:41:42 PM PDT by wardaddy (Roland will be missed by me.)
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To: GreatOne
Sorry folks, you engage in abnormal behavior for your developmental behavioral disorder, and need counseling, not raising kids, to get you back to normalcy. Absolutely sickening.

Brings to mind a story about the child of a woman I met once or twice... Woman dabbled in lesbian lifestyle for some years... Heard recently that her kid (teenager) was in jail for molesting young children... First thing I thought when I heard, was, "I hope she now realizes the impact that her lifestyle had on her kid." Too little too late.

25 posted on 09/14/2003 3:41:45 PM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: Trust but Verify
..why would they want them to be gay, so people like you can sneer at them and treat them as sub-humans all their lives?...

...there's no sneering at the fact of them being gay. There's justifiable sneering at the way they've behaved. How would you feel if one day Dad and Dad told you, 'we bought you over the Internet and took delivery in the States'?

26 posted on 09/14/2003 3:42:01 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
$75,000? A baby costs less than a Porsche? That's very, very frightening.
27 posted on 09/14/2003 3:42:02 PM PDT by Hildy (SUCKER: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republican.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
At some point in time the child will want to know who his mother is, and pointing at that fellow next to you isn't going to satisfy that question. He has every right to know the lineage he comes from, not only for subjective reasons but for health reasons as well. This experiment in changing the God-given requirements of marriage and family is doomed to fail.
28 posted on 09/14/2003 3:44:17 PM PDT by man of Yosemite ("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
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To: Paul Atreides
and to be indignant at those of us who have the gall to have views on behavior.
29 posted on 09/14/2003 3:44:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (Roland will be missed by me.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
.."do not consider her the boy's mother"

Whether they consider it or not she is...

30 posted on 09/14/2003 3:46:14 PM PDT by Zipporah
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To: Hildy
..$75,000? A baby costs less than a Porsche?...

Yep. And my guess, often bought for the same motivations. Note that unless otherwise stated the amounts quoted are in Australian dollars: about 0.65 to your dollar. Cheers, By

31 posted on 09/14/2003 3:48:07 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Zipporah
Whether they consider it or not she is...

Not technically. IIRC, she was implanted with others' goods.

32 posted on 09/14/2003 3:50:47 PM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: All
Welcome to the Growing Generations web site. Founded in 1996, Growing Generations is the oldest and largest surrogacy and egg donation firm dedicated to serving the gay and lesbian community. As you explore our web site, we encourage you to consider the many benefits of working with our agency.
33 posted on 09/14/2003 3:54:34 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Texas Eagle
I don't suppose you ever actually READ the Bible, did you?

Let he who is without sin....?

Lots of FReepers think they are without sin, I guess. Wonderful for them.

It didn't say "Let he who has LESS sin by their own reckoning cast the first stone..."

The gay people I've known were not obnoxious about it. So I don't hate them. Sorry about that.
34 posted on 09/14/2003 3:54:37 PM PDT by ChemistCat (I have two daughters. I know peacemaking. What we're doing in Israel ain't it.)
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To: wardaddy
Yes, we must be silenced or shamed, in the face of relativism.
35 posted on 09/14/2003 3:55:23 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: Trust but Verify
Why would they want them to be gay, so people like you can sneer at them and treat them as sub-humans all their lives?

They are not "gay". They are two men who engage in homosexual acts. Homosexuality is not a condition or a state of being or a race of people. It is a behavior. An action. It's more of a verb than a noun.

I would compare it to being a shoplifter but I don't want to give you an aneurism.

But then, it's not even possible for me to "give" you an aneurism. So to hell with it. A shoplifter is not a race of people. It's a person who engages in a particular activity. In this case it's someone who shoplifts.

Should I call 911 for you?

36 posted on 09/14/2003 3:55:49 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Can I throw stones?

Yes. As long as you don't throw like a girl.

LOL! Now THAT's funny.

37 posted on 09/14/2003 3:56:10 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: ChemistCat
Jesus never said "Since you are all sinners, you must never acknowlege your Father's definition of sin".
38 posted on 09/14/2003 3:58:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"Exactly. Who on earth would choose to be gay?"

Hells bells, everyone on earth would choose to be gay. Only idiots would choose to be sad. On the other hand though, if your question is "Who on earth would choose to be homosexual?" The only rational response to your question would be: Only those homosexuals who swish around calling themselves gay.
39 posted on 09/14/2003 3:58:50 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Picture nine Dumbocrat Clowndidates exiting a Yugo clown car, as another arrives by broom.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
SOAS
40 posted on 09/14/2003 3:59:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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