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Could Gold Be Gift From Caeser
Hampshire Chronicle ^ | 9-12-2003

Posted on 09/12/2003 3:17:32 PM PDT by blam

Could gold be gift from Caesar

History experts believe the hoard of Iron Age gold unearthed in a Winchester field was a gift from Julius Caesar to one of Britain's first kings.

The fine gold, incredible craftsmanship and a revised date now suggest the necklaces were made in the classical world and not Britain, as previously thought.

Dr Jeremy Hill, from the British Museum, believes it was a diplomatic gift from a Roman ruler, possibly Julius Caesar or Mark Antony, to an Iron Age king living near Winchester.

According to Winchester's top archaeologist, Dick Whinney, this may explain the lack of local opposition to the Roman invasion of 43AD.

The hoard, known as the Winchester Treasure, was discovered in 2000 in a ploughed field near Owslebury by Kevan Halls, a retired florist from West End, using a metal detector. Mr Halls received £350,000 for the find, which includes two gold necklace torcs, four gold brooches and two bangles.

The story of how the treasure came to be buried in a Hampshire field is gradually being pieced together. Archaeologists had been mystified by it because nothing like it had been discovered before.

They thought it had been made by skilled local craftsman in the last century before the Roman invasion. But scientific analysis showed it was made by Roman or Hellenic craftsman between 70BC and 30BC.

Dr Hill, the British Museum's curator of Iron Age Collection, said: "I'd have liked them to be made in Britain, but they weren't. Their discovery was amazing. The new research makes them iconic objects."

Although the jewellery was made with classical techniques, they were more chunky and showy than Roman examples.

Dr Whinney, principal archaeologist for Winchester Museum Service, said: "The implication is they were made to order in a style that would be acceptable to native kings and queens, possibly to cement a friendship or encourage an alliance."

When the legions invaded, they were unopposed by local tribes, although they had the manpower and fortifications to fight. "There were no battles here. The Romans were allowed to pass through what appears to have been a client kingdom."

Dr Whinney said: "We're never going to prove the gold was a gift from Caesar or Antony. But if we take the technological evidence about the origin and craftsmanship of these items alongside the time frame, it is a good theory."

The lack of any other finds on the field, the exact location of which is being kept secret, suggests the treasure was buried as an offering to pagan gods.

It is believed the barbarian ruler may have been Commius, one of the first kings of Britain, who spent time in Roman Gaul and would probably have lived at large Iron Age settlement in Owslebury.

Winchester Museum Service organised a community dig of the site last August. Pottery and bones were unearthed, but no more treasure.

BBC Two screened a documentary on the finding of the hoard last Tuesday evening.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: caeser; from; gift; gold
Should read: Could Gold Be Bribe From Caeser
1 posted on 09/12/2003 3:17:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The Romans were there for the tin. They had a trade deal. Their business was business, not oppression.
2 posted on 09/12/2003 3:20:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: blam
it is a good theory

No, it's pitiful.

3 posted on 09/12/2003 3:34:44 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: blam
"Should read: Could Gold Be Bribe From Caeser"

That would be more accurate. That's how Rome actually did most of it's conquering, after all : buy the leaders, then kill off the resisters. In fact, that's where Muhammad got the idea from : Rome.

4 posted on 09/12/2003 3:53:22 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: blam
Actually, there's no reason it couldn't have been a particularly good British artisan, or a Jewish artisan working with imported gold.
5 posted on 09/12/2003 3:54:44 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
>That's how Rome actually did most of it's conquering, >after all : buy the leaders, then kill off the resisters. >In fact, that's where Muhammad got the idea from : Rome.

That is absolutely 100% false. Rome conquered...and RETAINED their conquered land by bringing good economics to barbarians who did better under the Romans, since the Romans made them pay less taxes than their previous governments, they brought a stable currency that did not change in value, and the introduced a legal framework within which transactions between individuals could better be measured and kept true.

THOSE are the principles of how great nations are born. Those are the reasons why Rome, Britain, and now the U.S. became the greatest nations on the face of the planet.

Hail Caesar
6 posted on 09/12/2003 4:31:22 PM PDT by Norse
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To: Norse
"Hail Caesar"
Hail Yes!

Sorry I couldn't help it.
7 posted on 09/12/2003 4:44:41 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: cake_crumb
Also how the ChiNazis have been working.
8 posted on 09/12/2003 5:17:25 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I wanted to be in Chi-Town.)
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To: Norse
they brought a stable currency that did not change in value

1) Not currency, but coinage

2) Ever hear of billion coinage? Roman coins in base metals that were coated with silver? A popular device of the Roman Emperors, used to debase coinage (and create inflation).

3) Byzantium, on the other hand, maintained a consistent coinage from the time of Constantine to 1453. Perhaps you meant the Eastern Roman Empire.

9 posted on 09/12/2003 5:20:52 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: blam
The lack of any other finds on the field, the exact location of which is being kept secret, suggests the treasure was buried as an offering to pagan gods.

Doubt it. More likely that it was someone's Up-Anchor stash.

10 posted on 09/12/2003 5:30:10 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (This has been another, "Useless Fact")
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To: Norse
LOL...yes Rome DID BUY leaders whenever it could! I'm not dissing Rome...I'm half Italian, but facts is facts. Rome didn't throw away troops, at least during the years progressing toward and at the height of of it's ascendency! DUH! The idea of the bloodless coup was INVENTED in Rome!

Muhammad the plagiarist DID get his idea to buy off leaders by tempting them with promises and presents from Rome! He learned from HISTORY, and Rome had fallen by the time a minor moon deity became a sparkle of world conquest in Muhammad's eye!

Sheesh. Why is it people constantly have to change history??

11 posted on 09/12/2003 5:34:17 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"Also how the ChiNazis have been working."

Yeah, that too. However, if the Tuscans didn't learn that tactic independently from the Chinese then they probably learned it FROM the Chinese.

12 posted on 09/12/2003 5:35:55 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
>1) Not currency, but coinage

Currency can be coinage

>2) Ever hear of billion coinage? Roman coins in base >metals that were coated with silver? A popular device of >the Roman Emperors, used to debase coinage (and create >inflation

yes i know that, and it caused major problems, but there were long periods in WESTERN roman empire where the currencz was NOT debased and therefore the economy was not interrupted
13 posted on 09/12/2003 7:08:49 PM PDT by Norse
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To: blam
The Winchester Hoard:

http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/science/whatsnew/winchester.htm
14 posted on 09/13/2003 3:19:14 AM PDT by witnesstothefall
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To: witnesstothefall
Thanks for the link. Neat.
15 posted on 09/13/2003 8:27:14 AM PDT by blam
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