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Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Social Conservative
Intellectual Conservative ^ | September 12, 2003 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 09/12/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by EllaMinnow

Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a social conservative, despite much rhetoric to the contrary. Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent without resort to laws, regulations and bureaucrats.

Social conservatism is a respect for tradition and for values which have withstood the test of time. Chinese family members who respect and support one another, even at the cost of personal wishes, are social conservatives whatever their metaphysical beliefs.

This definition of social conservatism as a matter of example rather than profession does not mean we agree on every detail of moral behavior. It means instead that we root ourselves in something permanent, dignified and civic. Even eccentricity can be socially conservative. British and American peoples are famous for producing men who, for want of a better term, are cranks. That is very much a part of the culture of these two nations.

At the heart of social conservatism is fidelity. Often men who are social conservatives are ideologically left of center. Jimmy Carter is a good example. By all appearances, Carter took his marital vows seriously and his religious faith seriously. He stopped serving hard liquor at White House dinners.

That did not prevent Carter from being a petty, spiteful and almost insufferable boor. And it certainly did not prevent Carter from being wrong on almost every issue. But it does mean that Jimmy Carter was a social conservative.

Joe Lieberman is also a social conservative, even if he supports terrible policies. Every indication is that Lieberman is a religiously serious Orthodox Jew. It is impossible to imagine Joe munching a bacon cheeseburger on Kol Nidre. Bill Bradley is another social conservative who loves his wife, gained his wealth and fame through guts and hard work, and sincerely believes in all the bad ideas he proposes.

The beauty of America, of course, is that social conservatism does not require being correct as much as being sincere. It does not require conformity to a particular catechism so much as it means conformity to some catechism. The bewildering variety of religions, sects, and societies in American life is a testament to Americans respecting in social life the same freedom to be wrong that we respect in our economic life. Indeed, social conservatism is another form of market choice which helps, through competition, to elevate cultures and traditions within America.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is made of the "right stuff.” There is no odor of phoniness about him. He loves his wife and family. He worked his way to the top with sweat and diligence. He resembles a number of other social conservative Republicans around President Bush who are not generally recognized as social conservatives.

Who? How about Colin Powell? He turned down the Presidency itself in 1996 out of respect for his wife and family. Does anyone question that what Powell believes, he believes sincerely? How about Tom Ridge, who was too liberal to be the running mate in 2000, but who putters around his home for recreation and grew up in the Marine Corps.

Tony Blair and Rudy Giuliani are social conservatives who we seldom see as social conservatives. Both these heroic figures do what they do publicly and because they believe it is right. Thank goodness both are on our side now--social conservatives dig their heels in very deeply!--but even when Giuliani supports abortion or Powell supports affirmative action, they can do so looking you straight in the eye with a polygraph examiner unable to detect a hint of spin in their answers.

This type of social conservative--guys doing what they think is right because they think it is right--is precisely the sort of man that President Bush has shown incredible skill in using to make America better. Our Texan President, our proudly Cowboy President, does not demand that anyone agree with him on every issue. In fact, such silly boys can be skimmed off the corporate boards of a hundred big companies.

He wants people who are true to themselves. He wants, and we should want, real social conservatives. Rabbis who read Torah as if it were holy writ. Priests who take their vows seriously. Men who honor their parents and are faithful to their wives. Men like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ronald Reagan or John Wayne, who will fight for what they think is right.

When Governor Schwarzenegger takes office, President Bush will find honor more valuable than agreement and grit more important than obedience. It will be a winning team, perhaps a team that can transform America.


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To: Registered; truthandlife
Again since you are so good at doctoring pictures (especially showing the horrors of abortion), maybe you could put Arnold standing at the podium with one live baby in his hand and an aborted baby in the other and give him the caption, "I am against partial birth abortion but to this baby in my left hand, 'Hasta La Vista Baby.'

Yawn ...

Personally, Registered, I think you should consider a riff on McClintock's recent campaign function in Temecula where they ran out of pizza and salad for a small crowd of 200 supporters. Maybe base it on the "loaves and fishes" miracle; showing McClintock with long hair and a beard and wearing robes, with his empty pockets sticking out and a stunned expression on his face.

301 posted on 09/12/2003 2:53:56 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: truthandlife
First, the picture came down due to space, second, as you are aware, Peterson killed his unborn baby in the final trimester, which one could liken to a partial birth abortion, which Arnold says he is against. So, what problem do you have here?

Nothing Peterson did is any different than what an abortionist does, and that was the point of that image in the first place.

I find it odd that you would not support the only (somewhat) pro-life candidate in this race that has a chance of getting in office, Arnold. McClintock is a melting snowball!

As far as your suggestion, I told you it was a good idea, and I will be happy to try to move Arnold more to the firmer pro-life position once he is in office. The alternative is a PRO-ABORT Bustamante! You need to look at the numbers! Tom hasn't a chance of winning this thing...AT ALL.

Now, answer my question please.

302 posted on 09/12/2003 2:54:09 PM PDT by Registered (Gray Davis won't be baaaaahhck)
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To: EternalVigilance
You seem competent enough to get that message out.

Time is just not on you side in this race.
303 posted on 09/12/2003 2:55:09 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA

304 posted on 09/12/2003 2:55:33 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Itzlzha
Seems to me your State is the one 38 Billion in the hole...you need al the pesos...er dollars there.

And the nation as a whole is in deficit spending now. You really DO hate President Bush, don't you?

does your candidate know his supporters are racist?

Post proof or retract.

Arn-holes really are SOOOOOO predictable, y'know...

I think that was the phrase that pays that got your Post 252 pulled. Keep it up.

305 posted on 09/12/2003 2:57:15 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Tempest
I invented Tom McClintock, so you should go vote for him.

You are aware that the only way to repeal SB60 is through referendum, one your guy has said he will not support, for some odd reason...but keep trusting in him.


306 posted on 09/12/2003 3:00:13 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ((R)nold called me a "Right wing crazy" because I have a problem with his position on Prop 54)
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To: Itzlzha
I dunno why...could it be you cried like a baby?

Could be that you violated the posting guidelines on FreeRepublic. I didn't turn you in - I'm certainly not going to attempt to remove the knife from the hand of a pro-Bustamante advocate when he's sticking it into his own back.

Perhaps someone could fill me in?

http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm

307 posted on 09/12/2003 3:00:42 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Bluntpoint
You're right, of course. It's very tough.

But who knows, this is a strange one.

In some races, 3 weeks+ is forever.
308 posted on 09/12/2003 3:01:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: strela
Barbarastrela an hunkyItzlzha sitting in a tree,

K-I-S-S-I-N-G

First comes love......................


309 posted on 09/12/2003 3:03:38 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
Oh come now - I have better pecs and biceps than THAT little fairy does ;)
310 posted on 09/12/2003 3:04:38 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: strela
Jim R. has asked repeatedly that material from one thread not be dragged into another, and has asked that "cross-thread" flamewars not be engaged in.
290 -strela-


You seem to be FR's foremost authority. What is the reasoning behind asking that opinions expressed on one thread not be 'dragged' into another?

IE -- Should a gun grabbers stance on one thread be ignored when the poster pretends to be pro-gun on another?
311 posted on 09/12/2003 3:07:26 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: strela; Admin Moderator
does your candidate know his supporters are racist?

Post proof or retract.

Ok...

I'm not Hispanic. Are you?

I never inquired into race, you did!

Arn-holes really are SOOOOOO predictable, y'know...

I think that was the phrase that pays that got your Post 252 pulled. Keep it up.

If that is the issue, and the moderators agree, then I will search ALL posts all night, and show all the hypocrisy and outright attacks on the McClintock supporters! I have not sworn, and if that's a "personal attack", then a lot of SchwarzenKennedy supporters will be dissapointed when their material is protested as "peresonal attacks".

It's called "political discourse", and it's not a pillow fight. You have been snide and aggressive to a lot of folks...you have a lot of nerve to whine!

312 posted on 09/12/2003 3:07:27 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA

313 posted on 09/12/2003 3:07:33 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: EternalVigilance
Your tough but somewhat stringy.

Lather up with this stuff and lay out in the sun for an hour or so.


314 posted on 09/12/2003 3:07:51 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Its funny, but I remember this cartoonist posting from my local paper all my youth, and I loath him... Good to see though that the Demo Calvary isn't riding to the rescue like the Triangulationists preached. That leaves just issues, like always.
315 posted on 09/12/2003 3:08:27 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ((R)nold called me a "Right wing crazy" because I have a problem with his position on Prop 54)
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To: Registered
First, the picture came down due to space, second, as you are aware, Peterson killed his unborn baby in the final trimester, which one could liken to a partial birth abortion, which Arnold says he is against. So, what problem do you have here?

Sheesh.


316 posted on 09/12/2003 3:09:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ElkGroveDan
So are Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, and Larry Flynt since they all hold similar views as Arnold on social issues.

That was funny.

317 posted on 09/12/2003 3:09:38 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: strela
You are misrepresenting my statements and lying about my post.

I never made the statement: “Arnold is lying”.

I asked the question of YOU:

Is Arnold lying or is the author (a supporter of Arnold) lying? One or the other is lying - it is impossible for both of them to be right.

As for the satire of Tom being amusing - I am glad you find it so - I know you will be encouraging to those that make fun of Arnold. Or are you a hypocrite?
318 posted on 09/12/2003 3:10:05 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
1st of anything that qualifies for referendum should qualify for initiative.

2nd show me your source where you claim he will not support referendum. Considering he's already stated he will repeal SB60 anyways.
319 posted on 09/12/2003 3:10:05 PM PDT by Tempest (I've lost all hope for half of you.)
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To: strela
OK, that's it, pass the depends over that someone was referring to earlier! You guys are too funny, I just hope we're all laughing when this is over with!
Because if Boogermante wins, I'm moving on over to one of your states!
320 posted on 09/12/2003 3:11:06 PM PDT by shellylet
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