At least they didn't name it the Village People or the Gerbil Stuffers
Posted on 09/10/2003 9:20:23 PM PDT by Coleus
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The Straight Truth About ProtestGayDay.com Mike Cramer, who is the President of Operations with the Texas Rangers organization, has repeatedly refused to address the article in the Dallas Voice Newspaper stating, “Gay Day at the Ballpark will be the first time a major professional athletic team has reached out to the gay community and offered to help organize such an event.” Instead, he insinuates that the Rangers did not have their salesperson personally contact the homosexual groups. On the contrary, Gil Flores maintains: “A sales representative who helped organize last year’s Gay Day for the Dallas Burn, the city’s major league soccer team, now works for the Rangers and brought the idea for Gay Day at the Ballpark with him, according to Gil Flores, services director for the John Thomas Gay and Lesbian Community Center.” It appears that the Texas Rangers Organization is just spinning the truth to downplay their involvement. The Bible calls that a lie, and so do we at ProtestGayDay.com. The Rangers (Mike Cramer) says that Gay Day does not exist. IF this is true, then WHY haven't the Rangers asked the Dallas Voice to retract their announcement of this event? Why haven't the Ranger's "gone after" the DV for publishing a bunch of lies? There's been no retraction, and to my knowledge no demand for any retraction? Mike Cramer stated on The Wilder Show that the Rangers did not have the time to go after every group that prints false information about the Rangers. As KCBI 90.9 FM stated in the news, “the Texas Rangers got more than what they bargained for." For the sake of loyal Texas Rangers fans and families, the Rangers should have taken the time to stop this homosexual propaganda. It would have taken one phone call. I asked Mike Cramer to have the Dallas Voice retract their statements 4 weeks ago. I informed him that if they did not make the Dallas Voice retract their statements, then ProtestGayDay.com would be obligated to let the people know.
& “TEXAS RANGERS TO HOLD GAY DAY”
At The Ballpark In Arlington.
Words In Quotations Taken From The Gay & Lesbian Newspaper Article
We are receiving a lot of emails about us protesting the Rangers. I need to be clear about what we are doing. We are protesting both the homosexuals and the Texas Rangers. We are protesting the homosexuals for using a family institution such as baseball, the Texas Rangers and our Ballpark in Arlington to legitimize their perverted lifestyles. The homosexuals ARE NOT simply going out to watch a baseball game with their buddies. They are going to push their perverted homosexual agendas in an effort to gain some sort of normalcy to their kind. They want you and your children to see them and accept them as normal. God did not make man to have sex with another man, nor a woman with another woman. It is not normal. It will never be normal. To think that it is natural is insanity. God obviously made man's anatomy for the purpose of reproduction. We promote salvation and deliverance for the homosexuals. Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for all of our sins. They can be saved just like we got saved. Deliverance is going to be more of a challenge for a homosexual though. We will help you through the trials ahead. It's never easy going back up the mountain once you have fallen, but with help from brothers and sisters in Christ, it is much more bearable. Our purpose is to bring “Gay Day” to the attention of families so that they can be informed and be able to make the decision that they feel is in the best interest of their children and families. They also need to know the truth about how the Rangers contacted and negotiated the sale of tickets with the homosexuals. They may have convictions to not ever go to a game at the Ballpark again. We also have a petition on our website that people are signing to have their voices heard and morals to be known. We are protesting to make a stand for righteousness. People all across America and around the world need to know that there are decent moral people still in the United States that are willing to make sacrifices to protect and preserve our children and families.
Lastly, we are protesting the Texas Rangers Organization to hold them accountable. They should just admit the truth. They had their sales representative contact and negotiate the sale of tickets to the homosexuals just like he did before with the Dallas Burn.The Texas Rangers have a responsibility as a sports team, which children look towards as role models, to act on the behalf of and in the best interest of their fans. This event legitimizes the perverted Gay & Lesbian lifestyle in the eyes of the unsuspecting, innocent child. Homosexuals are still very much a minority group and families will not sit back and let them take over our communities. The Texas Rangers should be ashamed. They are the ones who contacted Gil Flores, who is the services director for the John Thomas Gay and Lesbian Community Center. The Texas Rangers reached out to the homosexual community in hope of getting some extra ticket sales. That's the bottom line and they are therefore responsible for legitimizing the homosexuals in the eyes of our children.
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This argument is pointless. As I said, ask any attorney -- they will tell you exactly what I told you. "If people decide to boycott" is not actual harm, and one has to show actual harm.
What is your scenario? (A) That the homosexual Voice put those words in his mouth or (B) that the ticket man was approached by some homosexual interests groups, he said, "great, we can use the sales" and then lied to the Voice and said it was all his idea?
I say that he's telling the truth. You seem to be of the mind that the quote was misreported. How about addressing that detail rather than spinning and spinning legal talk about the notion of libel law?
It's quite possible, but I don't know. The article as a whole has already been shown to be false and the publication is a dubious one. I'm familiar with the magazine and have skimmed it a number of times -- it's a piece of junk.How about addressing that detail rather than spinning and spinning legal talk about the notion of libel law?
First, anything I said would be pure speculation because I don't know what transpired. All I know is that the article as a whole has been proven false. Individual details may or may not be true.Second, you were the one who argued that the Rangers could sue for libel over the mistatements in the article. I merely showed you that the outcome of such a case would be defeat for the Rangers because they do not have an actionable case.
LOL WHoohooo my eyes are burnin'!
Sometimes. Usually it is warranted.
The Rangers' spokesman statement does not counter the ticket guy's claim. It is a lie by omission (perhaps he was even unaware that the ticket guy contacted some gay sports groups).
The New York Times and BBC have been revealed to be untrustworthy (that some news items are creating from pure fiction). It doesn't stop discussion of said articles or the posting of information that appears in them.
Show me some other sources for information and I'll read them. The "gay community" tends to spend more ink on homosexual agenda issues (and "gay day" is a homosexual activist event).
There were a lot more articles on the Lawrence v. Texas case on homosexual sites. Some may have been false or at least misleading. I found 2 different 3-word names for the caller who pranked the police, there were no common names between the 2 names. I never did find any evidence that the caller had an alias (but then I never did see a report of his court case either).
The statements in the Dallas Voice were attributed and were gay "publicity" quotes. I'd say that they were authentic. Nothing I have seen gives reason to doubt them.
Research some evidence to the contrary and you may change my view. Until then, I am of the mind that the ticket guy initiated Rangers' (unofficial) Gay Day. He was a member of the organization. If they choose to terminate him for engaging in public Rangers' Organization announcements that fall outside of his job scope, fine.
I don't have any and never said I did.
The statements in the Dallas Voice were attributed and were gay "publicity" quotes. I'd say that they were authentic. Nothing I have seen gives reason to doubt them.
They may have been authentic and you're perfectly welcome to believe it. All I say is that any statement made by the Dallas Voice is suspect because it is a junk publication. If you live in Dallas, pick a copy up of the Dallas Voice in Oak Lawn and you'll see what I mean. Plus, the article as a whole has been shown to be in error -- there is no "Gay Day" for the Texas Rangers, which is the whole thrust of the article. I think that the statements are suspicious but I'm not going to the mat one way or the other.
Until then, I am of the mind that the ticket guy initiated Rangers' (unofficial) Gay Day. He was a member of the organization.
There's no doubt that a member of the gay community who works for the Texas Rangers initiated the ticket sale. He's allowed to do that. The Rangers CEO stated as much in the interview with Scott Wilder.
If they choose to terminate him for engaging in public Rangers' Organization announcements that fall outside of his job scope, fine.
The quote is:
Andy Silverman, the Rangers’ vice president of ticket sales, said the “sheer earning potential” of the gay community was a factor in the team’s decision to sponsor Gay Day. The gay community has tremendous buying power, and “we can’t ignore that."
We already know that the team did not sponsor Gay Day, despite the first sentence above. Andy Silverman says exactly 7 words out of the above excerpt from the article and it's wrapped up in something that is demonstrably false. Who knows whether or how his words were taken out of context? That's why I'm agnostic on what he did or didn't say. And even if he did say those words, there's nothing untrue about them -- a lot of gays have a lot of money and the Texas Rangers wouldn't mind relieving them of some of it.
The man obviously is not going to refuse to sell tickets to gays just like the company that I work for is not going to refuse to sell software to gays. There's nothing here that looks bad when you look at his actual words. You're looking too much at the article and too little at what Andy Silverman actually said.
Mr. Silverman initiated a Gay Days event during Pride Week. Despite your belief that it is coincidental and just an effort to sell tickets. Mr. Silverman is a homosexual activist in this regard.
There is much more money to be made in encouraging people of all demographics to come to the park every day. I am unaware of many groups that buy 1,000 tickets as a block seating section to ANY games (even the homosexual crowd here is an alliance of several homosexual organizations to get the numbers high enough to be visible).
BTW, this line cracked me up too: "As if watching their impotent baseball team - aside from Rafael Palmiero, of course ;)"
Hehehe...
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Here are the players (identified by name and title where possible) and what they said:
A sales representative who helped organize last year’s Gay Day for the Dallas Burn, the city’s major league soccer team, now works for the Rangers and brought the idea for Gay Day at the Ballpark with him, according to Gil Flores, services director for the John Thomas Gay and Lesbian Community Center.
No quotes but is there any reason to dispute the claims that the Rangers' staffer (ticket guy) was proactive?
Then there was this line in the article:
The Rangers donated a suite for the organizations to meet and organize the event.Donating a suit to help these multiple organizations buy tickets one one united group is a proactive stance on the part of the Rangers.
John Blake, senior vice president of communications for the team.“We’re trying to get as many people as possible to the ballpark,” said Blake. The team isn’t worried that marketing toward gay fans will hurt attendance, he added.
We do not know the exact words of "marketing toward gay fans" but it does imply a pro-active stance.
Andy Silverman, the Rangers’ vice president of ticket sales.the “sheer earning potential” of the gay community was a factor in the team’s decision to sponsor Gay Day. The gay community has tremendous buying power, and “we can’t ignore that.”
The Ballpark in Arlington has group promotions to everyone from the Jewish Community Center to the Boy Scouts, according to Silverman.
“Everyone is welcome at the ballpark,” he said.
With ticket sales down, Silverman said, the Rangers are marketing to as many people as possible.
Again we don't know the exact phrasing of "marketing to as many people as possible" but it sounds like an active outreach to draw in fans who are homosexuals (and conviently they are being drawn in on the same day).
Mack Williamson, president of the Texas Gay Rodeo Association’s Dallas chaptersaid he was “very surprised” the Rangers contacted the gay community. Members of the community have tried contacting other teams, like the Cowboys and Mavericks, to no avail, he said.
There is admission that this is a different animal. Did the Gay Rodeo folk say to the Cowboys and Mavericks, "hello sir, I'd like 200 tickets" and were turned down? Most times people won't ask "what for". Someone was looking for a sweeter deal (maybe including an announcement on the scoreboard of their group).
My error in citing Mr. Silverman seems to have caused you to disregard all of the rest of the above content in the article.
Go ahead and protest the protest site. There was no story. Some citizens bought baseball tickets of their own initiative (when the basketball and football teams REFUSED to sell them tickets just because they were homosexuals, nope no homosexuals at Cowboys or Mavericks games).
Care to tell me why homosexuals didn't go to the baseball games before this sales rep was hired?
No quotes but is there any reason to dispute the claims that the Rangers' staffer (ticket guy) was proactive?
Nope, none at all.
Donating a [suite] to help these multiple organizations buy tickets one one united group is a proactive stance on the part of the Rangers.
Yep, I agree. I'm not sure whether that happens often. It's not unreasonable to think that it wouldn't though because the Rangers have a lot of facilities that aren't used except when games are actually in progress.
We do not know the exact words of "marketing toward gay fans" but it does imply a pro-active stance.
The sales rep evidently made the initial contact and, when he claimed that he would try to sell 1,000 tickets, I'm sure that his bosses weren't unhappy with him.
Again we don't know the exact phrasing of "marketing to as many people as possible" but it sounds like an active outreach to draw in fans who are homosexuals (and conviently they are being drawn in on the same day).
I'm sure that the Rangers were happy at the prospect of selling a bunch of tickets, whether it's the 200 that have actually been sold or the 1,000 that they tried to sell.
said he was “very surprised” the Rangers contacted the gay community. Members of the community have tried contacting other teams, like the Cowboys and Mavericks, to no avail, he said. ... There is admission that this is a different animal.
On the one hand the store said it was a sales rep who contacted them (they aren't paid well -- I know a sales rep for the Mavericks) but on the other hand it says that "the Rangers contacted the gay community," making it sound like people in power made the contact. The article isn't internally consistent. I suspect the article is exaggerating here, just like it does elsewhere.
Go ahead and protest the protest site.
It's really not worth it. Rick Warden has been pretty discredited already, IMHO. So 200 gays decide to go to a ball game. Big deal. When I worked in Oak Lawn I saw 200 gays every day.
There was no story. Some citizens bought baseball tickets of their own initiative (when the basketball and football teams REFUSED to sell them tickets just because they were homosexuals, nope no homosexuals at Cowboys or Mavericks games).
I rather doubt the story's assertion that other local sports teams refused to sell tickets to a group of gays. It smacks of the exaggeration and "poor me, I'm gay" slant of the magazine as a whole. By the way, if you ever get a copy, be sure to read it on an empty stomach.
Care to tell me why homosexuals didn't go to the baseball games before this sales rep was hired?
I'm sure that they did go to baseball games just like they do other things. I was a guest at a family (not mine) birthday party 2 weeks ago and one of the "little brothers" of the family is gay. It's a heartbreak to the family but they still love him -- he was overweight as a child and was brutally rejected by his father. He's a nice guy and I've enjoyed being around him the 2 times I've seen him. He knows where I stand and I truly do expect to see him move away from his lifestyle some day because he's not happy with it. He's not flamboyant and most people would not recognize him as being gay. There aren't as many gays as they like to claim but they're still out there and, for the most part, they do the same things that we do.
At least they didn't name it the Village People or the Gerbil Stuffers
And this group of gays began promoting it as "GayDay" and that's how it got started.
They're even planning on forming a "human gay pride" flag, now how goofy is that?
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