The Tom and Arnold Show [California Recall]

Sac Bee ^ | 9-10-03 | Dan Weintraub

[ambrose]

With Peter Ueberroth out of the race, all Republican eyes now turn toward State. Sen. Tom McClintock, and the effort by some party leaders and the Schwarzenegger campaign to get him to withdraw. The problem for Schwarzenegger is that while having McClintock out might be good for him, the process of getting him out is quite bad. In the end, Schwarzenegger might be better off simply ignoring McClintock. Here

[Bob]

Was there a live thread for Arnold's interview on O'Reilly today? I didn't see one.

[Registered]

I didn't see one either.

Did you hear Arnold definitively say that he would NOT raise taxes? He did great.

[Bob]

I am predicting he exits by the end of the convention. He already skipped the most recent debate. Hope I am wrong.

Are you referring to today's debate with Bustamante, Huffington and Camejo?

[Political Junkie Too]

Like TM staying in just long enough to syphon off enough absentee ballot votes to ensure a bustamante win.

A general question not directed to South40:

Did any candidate for statewide office in California ever have their win determined by the absentee ballots or was the polling place ballots enough?

-PJ

[Bob]

Did you hear Arnold definitively say that he would NOT raise taxes? He did great.

He also said that he'd rescind SB60. Sorry, he can't. He could, however, support the referendum on it which he hasn't done.

Someone also should tell him that tripling the car tax is a 200% increase, not a 300% increase.

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[Registered]

You didn't like what you heard?

[elbucko]

Then, at this point, you're supporting Arnold.

You're free to assume what you like.

[South40]

Plagiarism of "REGISTERED's" genius.

"Plagiarism?"

Plagiarism is taking credit for someone elses work. I haven't done that. In fact, if you look you'll see Registered's name is clearly still on it.

But, just for the heck of it...why don't you ask him if he feels plagiarized.

What a dolt.

[ambrose]

Are you referring to today's debate with Bustamante, Huffington and Camejo?

Yeah - but it took place yesterday. I posted a couple of threads about it.

[ambrose]

Did any candidate for statewide office in California ever have their win determined by the absentee ballots or was the polling place ballots enough?

George Deukmejian in 1982 lost at the polls on election day, then won on absentee ballots. Dan Lungren did the same thing for AG in 1990.

[Political Junkie Too]

Thanks.

-PJ

[South40]

Did any candidate for statewide office in California ever have their win determined by the absentee ballots or was the polling place ballots enough?

While I have no knowledge of such an incident, I think it's safe to say ANY race can be decided by a handful of votes. Even a national race. Look at the 2000 presidential election. If al gore hadn't had absentee military votes purged it probably wouldn't have been as close as it was.

[Bob]

You didn't like what you heard?

I didn't like that his solution to illegal immigration was to get more money from the federal government.

I didn't like that he thinks he can rescind SB60 when he can't but he doesn't support the referendum to overturn it which he could.

It didn't come up tonight but I don't like the idea that he wants to close a nonexistent gun show loophole. That's a Handgun Control talking point that no one has told him doesn't apply to California.

An admittedly minor point, but you'd think that someone in his campaign would get him off the erroneous 300% increase talking point about the car tax. Tripling the tax is a 200% increase, not 300%.

I wasn't impressed. All I heard was talking points but, then again, I'm just one of those stupid TomBots. What can you expect?

[Bob]

Yeah - but it took place yesterday. I posted a couple of threads about it.

Oh, I thought it was today. I missed those threads.

Tom was scheduled to be there but, with the legislature being in session, cancelled. Too bad. It would have been yet another debate where he was there and Arnold was MIA.

[Bob]

Sorry, the line:

I didn't like that his solution to illegal immigration...

should have read:

I didn't like that one of his solutions to illegal immigration...

He also wants to get together with other governors to convince the feds that illegal immigration is really bad and he will provide 'leadership' (whatever that means).

[DoughtyOne]

You read between the line McClintock types are a riot. You read between the lines that Schwarzenegger will raise taxes when he said he won't, yet won't read between the lines when Schwarzenegger says it's not right that illegals come across our borders breaking our laws in deference to people like him that spent ten years getting here legally. Duh!

He wanted to get the governors together and take their grievances to the federal government on this issue. Tell me what happens when Schwarzenegger and the other governors take the federal government to court for not protecting our borders.

[Bob]

He wanted to get the governors together and take their grievances to the federal government on this issue. Tell me what happens when Schwarzenegger and the other governors take the federal government to court for not protecting our borders.

I don't know what lines you think I was reading between. He didn't say that he was going to take the feds to court for not protesting our borders. On the other hand, he did say that he was going to go get more money from them. Who's reading between the lines? You or me?

I've never said that I know he's going to raise taxes. I may suspect that he will but I certainly don't know that he will.

[DoughtyOne]

Do you think the federal government is going to agree to pay the western states tens of billions of dollars each year to cover their education, health care, welfare, infrastructure costs related to millions of illegal immigrants withnin their borders?

My guess is the president who gets that request forwarded to him is going to flip the collective governors the bird. At that point a suit will be brought against the federal government.

When that happens, you watch how fast the border issue is resolved.

[Bob]

Do you think the federal government is going to agree to pay the western states tens of billions of dollars each year to cover their education, health care, welfare, infrastructure costs related to millions of illegal immigrants withnin their borders?

My guess is the president who gets that request forwarded to him is going to flip the collective governors the bird. At that point a suit will be brought against the federal government.

An equally plausible scenario would be for the governors to work through their congressional delegations and senators to get an appropriation passed through Congress. No lawsuit necessary.

Like I said, he said himself that he's going to the feds for money but he didn't say anything about suing the feds over protecting the border.