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Java plugin traces....do we really know what they are doing?

Posted on 09/10/2003 6:19:05 AM PDT by grumple

So there I was....diggin' into my new laptop....and noticing all the little annoying nuances that have populated my home and download directories...when I came across a couple plugin_trace files. I narrowed these down to Java creations possibly generated by browser errors (primarily netscape).

So I google'd "java plugin trace and came across the following discussion which can be found here http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=226851 .

The one post that struck me as odd was this one, however:

(snip) The above re-assuring comments are incorrect. I too found these files appearing on my hard drive and they are indeed generated by Sun Java, however they are not merely for internal consumption. I peeked inside with a hex editor and found the following:

Using JRE version 1.4.1_02 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM User home directory = H:\Documents and Settings\(My username was here!!!!!)

Proxy Configuration: No proxy

----------------------------------------------------
c: clear console window
f: finalize objects on finalization queue
g: garbage collect
h: display this help message
l: dump classloader list
m: print memory usage
o: trigger logging
p: reload proxy configuration
q: hide console
r: reload policy configuration
s: dump system properties
t: dump thread list
v: dump thread stack
x: clear classloader cache
0-5: set trace level to
----------------------------------------------------

----------- RedSheriff Measurement -----------
Privacy: http://www.redsheriff.com/privacy.htm

Record Sent

As you can see, a record was sent from my computer, without my being made aware of it, to Red Sheriff - a data mining company based in New Zealand, in cahoots with several big names. I suggest you have a look at their web site.

This plug-in trace is therefore a cookie of sorts, but mediated through Java, so I don't know if it will be blocked or even picked up by ordinary cookie detectors.(/snip)

Me again -

Record sent??

Now I'm not the most computer savvy person. I'm a mainframer and a midlevel functional pc guy...but I know enough to know that I didn't authorize this invasion of privacy, if in fact my web activity is being transmitted to a data mining firm called Red Sherriff.

Anyone know anything about this company? I stopped by their website and it looks like your typical marketing firm, but why am I having trace activity sent to it?

Or is my tin foil hat on crooked this morning?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: computer; internet; java; microsoft; plugin; security

1 posted on 09/10/2003 6:19:06 AM PDT by grumple
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To: grumple
Hey,
I was just reading a christian website that describes Java as part of big brother. Ironic.
2 posted on 09/10/2003 6:23:41 AM PDT by bulldogs
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To: grumple
Just uninstall Java and ignore the webpages that require it.
3 posted on 09/10/2003 6:29:42 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: grumple
ping.... need more answers
4 posted on 09/10/2003 6:33:55 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"just uninstall..."

Well, yeah, that's been done on my machine (since I've found this out) but what about others who might want to use it?
5 posted on 09/10/2003 6:40:25 AM PDT by grumple
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To: grumple
You're smoking crack. I'm a Java developer. There is nothing in that file to be concerned about.
6 posted on 09/10/2003 6:40:44 AM PDT by Oceanus
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To: Oceanus
I'm smoking crack?

Ahhh...to be a java developer...gives you the authority to be condescending to others I take it...

Relax there dude (dudette?)...you must have had too much java this morning.

Look...maybe there is nothing destructive, but if I have file that is tracing internet activity and sending messages to marketing firm without my authorization, then I'd like to know and I think others might also. I'm just looking for some feedback, as others who aren't java developers might be also...

have another cup!!!
7 posted on 09/10/2003 6:47:44 AM PDT by grumple
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Just uninstall Java and ignore the webpages that require it.

If you really want to be safe, uninstall windows and go with a different OS, or better yet just go Mac and never go back.

8 posted on 09/10/2003 6:49:35 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: SengirV
If you really want to be safe, uninstall windows and go with a different OS, or better yet just go Mac and never go back.

This is a good point. Apple OS X is essentially BSD Unix with a very nice interface, thanks to Steve Jobs and the NeXT way of thinking he brought back to Apple.

But, if one is doing garden variety computing getting a mainstream Linux distribution (Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake) will do the job and the hardware is one heck of a lot cheaper than the Apple solution. To my knowledge, OS X doesn't run on Intel hardware (Darwin does, I think but there's no interface) while Linux does.

But if there are some apps that you must have and they are Windows, get a copy of VMWare and run it on a Linux system.

Voila, problem solved. Have a nice day.

9 posted on 09/10/2003 7:04:05 AM PDT by Bosco
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To: SengirV
Believe me, I have been contemplating a Mac. Problem is I can get a darned decent PC (2.4 GHz, 512M mem, 40 GHz hd, 3d video, speakers, and flat panel monitor) for about $800 and I know NOTHING about Macs.
10 posted on 09/10/2003 7:22:25 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: grumple
As you can see, a record was sent from my computer, without my being made aware of it, to Red Sheriff

Was the person on the Red Sheriff site? Java APPLETS are restricted to ONLY going to the website where they were downloaded from.

If he downloaded a Java PROGRAM (not just an applet on a website) then it connect to any site on the internet.
11 posted on 09/10/2003 7:59:21 AM PDT by lelio
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