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Schwarzenegger brands Prop. 54backers as "right-wing crazies"
California Political News and Views | September 8, 2003 | Stephen Frank

Posted on 09/09/2003 7:07:37 AM PDT by sruleoflaw

I post this information with the following comments.

As Republicans and conservatives activists, we know that Mr. Schwarzenegger has refused to sign a no tax hike pledge, refused to take a position on California's Family Leave Act (a major job-killer), supports homosexual domestic partners (opposed by 61% of Californians), supports gay adoption, supports abortion, has said that Proposition 187 is history and that he doesn't mind illegal aliens staying here, and in an unbelievably inept statement, said he will ask the Democrat Legislature to repeal the law giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens (as if the Democrats John Burton and Herb Wesson will give him his request). There is only one way to stop drivers licenses for illegals -- the McClintock-California Republican Assembly referendum effort. AND NOW, AS THE TOPPER, Mr. Schwarzenegger has opposed Proposition 54 AND CALLED THE SUPPORTERS OF THIS MEASURE (WHICH INCLUDES THE CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN PARTY) 'RIGHT-WING CRAZIES'.

I have one or two questions for Mr. Schwarzenegger's followers. Do you support Proposition 54? Does Proposition 54? Do you accept Arnold's name-calling toward me, you and others? Is Arnold's name-calling indicative of what he feels toward conservatives.

Mr. McClintock has offered to debate Mr. Schwarzenegger -- ONE ON ONE, MAN TO MAN. Let them debate...and then we'll choose a course of action.

California Political News and Views September 8, 2003 Published by Stephen Frank

29 DAYS TILL RECALL--FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, LORD ALMIGHTY, FREE AT LAST

MAJOR STORY--ARNOLD CALLS SUPPORTERS OF PROP 54, TO END RACIAL PROFILING, "Right Wing Crazies".

Dear Political Activist:

Conservative elected officials, many of them, have endorsed Arnold. His reply to them? He calls them "right wing crazies". Why, because they oppose racial profiling and believe all people should be treated equally.

Arnold has come out against Prop. 54, which has been endorsed by the California Republican Party. Yet, Arnold calls supporters of the measure, including the California Republican Party, "right wing crazies." Also calling supporters of Prop. 54 (which ends racial profiling) "right wing crazies" are Cruz Bustamante and Gray Davis.

Why does Arnold have to name call? Is this how he is going to unify the Republican Party by name calling? Shame on him. He needs to apologize to everyone of his endorsers and the CRP for another example of outrageous conduct.

Here is the original of the story:

"Yesterday, a member of our staff attended an event at which Arnold Schwarzenegger was in attendance. Here is the exchange that took place:

Justin: "So I know you haven't made a decision on Prop 54--"

[I was going to go further and attempt to make our case when he cut me off right there.]

Arnold: "No, I have made a decision. I'm against it. It looks good on the surface, but when you study it you see its true intentions. It was a no-brainer, once I looked at all the reading and all the materials. I do a lot of work with after school programs, a lot of these kids are minorities, and we need to know how they're doing and bring them up to the starting line. It was a no-brainer. And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it."

We are absolutely convinced of the fact that because Justin is black, Arnold presumed that he is one of those liberal "minorities" who wanted to hear that kind of patronizing message."

http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/03_09_07_corner-archive.asp#013121 ARNOLD & PROP. 54 [John J. Miller] Yesterday I named three things Arnold S. could to do to appeal to conservatives. I neglected to mention a fourth: Endorse Proposition 54, Ward Connerly's latest initiative, which would ban the state from collecting information about the race and ethnicity of its citizens. For a couple of weeks, AS has said he's studying Prop. 54 and would announce his decision before Election Day. Last night, however, Connerly emailed to say AS has come out against Prop. 54. The candidate also added this little flourish: "And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it." It is becoming increasingly clear that there is no conservative case to be made for Schwartzenegger. The man has given us "right-wing crazies" almost nothing except the hope that he might win. Friends, this is the definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

Arnold should have read this before he spoke: 10 REASONS TO SUPPORT PROPOSITION 54 Prop 54 will bar the state and all local California governments from collecting racial data in the areas of public education, employment, contracting and most other government operations. Reasonable exemptions exist for medical research subjects and patients, data collection required by federal law or for federal funds, certain activities of law enforcement and the Dept. of Fair Housing and Employment. The state legislature, by a two-thirds vote and with the governor's approval, can vote to exempt any other reasonable area. This initiative builds on Proposition 209 by eliminating race classifications in those areas where preferences are outlawed.

Race has become less and less a factor in determining the fates and fortunes of Americans. For that reason, the state should get out of the racial classification business and end the invidious practice of dividing by race. Racial classifications originate in the 17th-century slavery system and should be torn down, not propped up by government sanction. Furthermore, the classifications are unscientific and arbitrary: How much black blood makes a person black? Who counts as Hispanic? To what race do multiracial people belong?

By pitting racial groups against one another, racial classifications foster more resentment and disharmony, not less. America will never get over its race problem as long as some insist on obsessively focusing on skin color as a defining characteristic. The historic Civil Rights Movement was not waged for an America where the government required every citizen to present his or her race as a prerequisite for any government transaction. It was waged for an America where the government treated all citizens equally before the law. John F. Kennedy once said, "Race has no place in American life or law".Prop 54 will lead to that world where government disregards race.

Our government serves as a model of justice and equality for all citizens. If we truly want a color-blind society to happen someday, the first, measured step towards that goal is to establish a color-blind government. As the most diverse state in the Union, California has the most to gain from ending racial classifications. Whatever group may be up today could be down tomorrow; every Californian will be better off being treated equally under the law.

With California's state budget as much as $38 billion in the hole, our state needs to save every dollar it can. A great place to start will be the elimination of the reams of paperwork used to track race data, the numberless computer programs engineered to tabulate it, and the wasted time of countless employees entering the useless data into the system. As more Americans marry across lines of race,more children of multiracial descent are born. California, as the most diverse state, has more multiracial people than any other. These people don't fit into any one box. Why should the government require them to deny their full heritage by checking a box?

As long as we are trapped in the mindset that the only way to get past race is to obsessively track and tabulate it, we will never get past it. The only way to reach a color-blind society is to actually start behaving like we have one. It will not magically come about on its own. *********************************************************************************** FROM THE POLITICAL FRONT:

Arnold has shown himself not ready for prime time in this campaign, but maybe by October 7 he will be ready. A few examples:

1. He claims that in January, as Governor, he will "rescind" SB60 allowing illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses. His staff should have told him that Governors don't rescind laws--they veto them, they create initiatives, they speak out against them, but Governors can't rescind laws.

2. He will "audit every agency of government. He will "open the books". Actually, it is the job of the Controller to audit the books, and he can at any moment, without warning. The Governor can issue an audit demand and get it.

But, what do audits determine? They find waste and corruption. An audit does not tell if a program is good or bad, or if needed. Is he saying that the money problem of the state is waste and corruption, $38 billion dollars worth? Let him tell us, before we vote, what he will cut, or at least which programs are on the table.

3. The only "debate" he is willing to participate in is where he gets the questions five days in advance. In Hollywood, that is called "a script". (stolen from Jay Leno)

***************************************************** Let us remember, the first goal is to Recall Gray Davis. This is becoming a problem. Look at this:

Davis Ouster May Not Be A Sure Thing http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82%257E1865%257E1616811,00.html

The gubernatorial recall races hit their mud-slinging midpoint this weekend amid a surprising and perhaps decisive twist -- signs a growing number of voters miss the "good old days" of just being unhappy with Gov. Gray Davis. Front-running replacement candidates Cruz Bustamante and Arnold Schwarzenegger have swiftly fallen into such a swamp of criticism and uncertainties that Davis' ouster no longer appears inevitable, say many Democrats and independent analysts. *************************************************************** POLL FOR THE WEEK:

The Bush Administration is asking the United Nations to get involved in the Iraq situation. Do you support or oppose the UN's involvement at this time?

Please vote yes or no and send your response and reasons to: stephenfrank@sbcglobal.net

Fun Comments from a friend. If someone from Arnold's camp would like to submit a Dr. Seuss, happy to reprint it.

From Sylvia Sullivan. 8/29/03, of San Diego County:

With Apologies to Dr. Seuss

Will you for Arnold vote?

I will not for Arnold vote! Not in a boat, not by a goat

Not with the fans he boasts Not by the money he gloats

By right stand, I am No matter dire predictions I'll stand by my convictions!

Arnold will not get my vote

Not on a float, not with a dope Not on a whim, not in a gym!

Not with a goose, not on the booze I will not be loose, with the Gov. I choose!

By Tom I stand, I am He has the right plan The man we love, to be our next Gov.!


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamentebooster; proposition54
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To: sruleoflaw
Right up until this point I had agreed with those who said that Arnold should be supported for his run against Busty.

Now I wouldn't vote to put out a fire that was consuming his idiot ass.

Time to stop voting for Alleged Republicans just because they have an R in front of their names. Time to start voting for REAL conservatives. Either that or it's time to leave the Republican party.

21 posted on 09/09/2003 7:27:33 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (If you continue to do what you've always done, you will continue to get what you've a‚i]±s got.)
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To: sruleoflaw
If he wants these folks to come over to his side, then he probably needs to learn the "fly, vinegar, honey" lesson.
22 posted on 09/09/2003 7:27:45 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: So Cal Rocket
#17: VERY good advice! Absentee ballots mailed today could elect Bustamante, one way or the other.

HOLD YOUR FIRE, brothers and sisters! Wait until we see the whites of their eyes before we fire off those absentee ballots!

23 posted on 09/09/2003 7:28:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: sruleoflaw
CAN YOU BELIEVE ARNOLD CALLS THE PROP. 54 SUPPORTERS RIGHT-WING CRAZIES?

No, this is a fabricated story. If he said anything, it was directed exclusively at the irrational, wild eyed, hallucinating, extreme closet rightwingers. Hey, he was talking to you.

24 posted on 09/09/2003 7:31:40 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: sruleoflaw
Is the legislature in CA dominated by the left?

The reason I ask is, here in Rhode Island, we managed to vote in a republican governor.(must have been a bug in the vote scan software)

He appears to be giving it his best, but he's being devoured by the leftists who control everything.

I imagine, by the time he's through, the left's policies will remain even more firmly in place along with the deep rooted corruption that is a hallmark of state and city government here. Things will be considerably worse off, and the sole republican in government(governor) will probably take all the blame.

People cheered when we elected a pub, but he is helpless to change anything and is constantly knifed by the dem leaders and set up as a fool by the AG.

Yet, he'll shoulder the blame for the state's continueing decline.

What is the point of having a republican governor when he is powerless? We'd have been better off with a leftist cur, who would have nobody to blame for the continued disintegration of the state.

Only the utter collapse of the leftists policies will ever lead to meaningful change here.
25 posted on 09/09/2003 7:32:18 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Adder
That would be a NO. A vote for any one of ArnieCruzaDoofus has the same effect except that ONLY the election of Arnie can destroy the actual Republican Party in California. Elect McClintock or suffer at leisure just until 2006 if Cruz or Grayout are governor or forever if California destroys the GOP by electing Arnie.
26 posted on 09/09/2003 7:32:38 AM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: Adder
Let me ask you a question: What happens when Arnold gets in (if we're so unfortunate) raises taxes, governs ineptly (like someone who has no experience, no plans and a high degree of arrogance)? The state is destroyed further, we get a Democrat in 2006 -- AND WE WILL HAVE NEVER HAD A REAL CONSERVATIVE OR TRIED WHAT A REPUBLICAN CAN REALLY DO.

I want Tom, but in my book: Arnold=Cruz
27 posted on 09/09/2003 7:33:30 AM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: Adder
McClintock isn't dropping out. Live with it and quit whinning.
28 posted on 09/09/2003 7:33:40 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Amen!
29 posted on 09/09/2003 7:34:18 AM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: sruleoflaw
Here is an exact link to your claim.

Apparently, also, this came from someone named "Justin" but we really don't have a way to confirm this story without "Justin's" last name. Also, perhaps "Justin" could appear in other media outlets, in print, radio or television to confirm his account on his own, or in an interview?

I'm being this harsh in my criticism because, if I were in California, I'd take this as a "deal breaker" when it came to a vote for Arnold. I wouldn't stand for it, and I'd hope no one else would. BUT, maybe, a). That's not really how it happened or b). This "Justin" is just making the whole thing up.

Again, I suggest these things because, for true conservatives, that phrase is a slap in the face and thus, it's a pretty serious charge to make, imo. A simple mention in some "post" at National Review Online, by someone without a last name......hardly a real "bombshell" in my opinion, without some kind of confirmation (and apparently the story's been "out there" for a few days already)

I don't know if we're "supposed" to know Justin's last name, or know him well or what, but if that's the case, forgive me for not being "in the know".

30 posted on 09/09/2003 7:34:55 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: RGSpincich
RGSpincich, LOOK IN THE MIDDLE. THIS POST IS ALSO SOURCED TO NATIONAL REVIEW. Article by John Miller, political editor of National Review online.
31 posted on 09/09/2003 7:35:44 AM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: sruleoflaw
This is too long.

Just the quote and analysis about his patronizing response.

Tha'd make the point much clearer.

32 posted on 09/09/2003 7:36:16 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: sruleoflaw
Prop. 54 is another sinister ruse of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, it seems.

I want to see better sources.
33 posted on 09/09/2003 7:36:20 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: sruleoflaw
Does not support your headline. Phony story.
34 posted on 09/09/2003 7:37:02 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: sruleoflaw
Thanks for the post. It is clear that we can't trust Arnold not only on abortion, guns and gays, but also on affirmative action, immigration and tax cuts. How are his views different from, say, Bill Clinton's?

Tom McClintock is California's only hope.
35 posted on 09/09/2003 7:37:24 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: sruleoflaw
What happens when Arnold gets in

Stop right there. HE gets in, the next day the Democratic Party recall effort of Arnold will begin... which is why this is all worthless to begin with-- especially the part of electing someone like Arnold Schrawwhatever.

36 posted on 09/09/2003 7:37:36 AM PDT by Vis Numar
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To: dogbyte12
Exactly. Ward Connerly is to be greatly respected. He's done a lot for good with his perservenrance and determination and has taken alot of unfair criticism and overt abject ugly nasty attacks.
37 posted on 09/09/2003 7:38:01 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: So Cal Rocket; DoughtyOne; BlackElk; Avoiding_Sulla; kellynla
Way to go Arnie... this will really convince the McClintock supporters to throw their support to you.

You don't get it.

Howard Kaloogian, Chairman of the Recall Gray Davis Committee and long-time conservative activist, reports that several phone calls to the White House resulted in mocking conversations.

“Not interested,” said the political types. “Let Davis slowly twist in the wind. It’ll make our job easier in ’04.”

Source

Rove was against this recall all along. He and Parsky probably put up Arnold is to split the conservative GOP vote and our "moderates" fell for it. That alone would explain the bizarre behavior of Mr. Schwarzenegger; i.e., he doesn't want to BE governor (and who could blame him). Under that scenario he's just having some fun messing with the conservatives he hates (which fits his personality perfectly; as a body builder his trademark was messing with the heads of his competition). He's got company in the White House!

38 posted on 09/09/2003 7:38:09 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California: Where government is pornography every day!)
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To: sruleoflaw
ARNOLD & PROP. 54 [John J. Miller] Yesterday I named three things Arnold S. could to do to appeal to conservatives. I neglected to mention a fourth: Endorse Proposition 54, Ward Connerly's latest initiative, which would ban the state from collecting information about the race and ethnicity of its citizens. For a couple of weeks, AS has said he's studying Prop. 54 and would announce his decision before Election Day. Last night, however, Connerly emailed to say AS has come out against Prop. 54. The candidate also added this little flourish: "And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it." It is becoming increasingly clear that there is no conservative case to be made for Schwartzenegger. The man has given us "right-wing crazies" almost nothing except the hope that he might win. Friends, this is the definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Posted at 05:37 AM

What is the actual SOURCE for this? Are we willing to accept hearsay and innuendo as fact?
39 posted on 09/09/2003 7:38:53 AM PDT by Registered (Gray Davis won't be baaaaahhck)
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To: Registered; Admin Moderator
What is the actual SOURCE for this? Are we willing to accept hearsay and innuendo as fact?

That's MY question. This has no link, and doesn't cite a mainstream news source. Are we sure this is legitimate and not a simple hit piece from the anti-Arnold camp?

40 posted on 09/09/2003 7:40:22 AM PDT by mhking
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