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A failed Israeli society is collapsing
The International Herald Tribune - first appeared in English in The Forward (New York), was adapted ^ | Saturday, September 6, 2003 | Avraham Burg

Posted on 09/08/2003 8:40:30 AM PDT by US admirer

A failed Israeli society is collapsing, The end of Zionism?

JERUSALEM The Zionist revolution has always rested on two pillars: a just path and an ethical leadership. Neither of these is operative any longer. The Israeli nation today rests on a scaffolding of corruption, and on foundations of oppression and injustice. As such, the end of the Zionist enterprise is already on our doorstep. There is a real chance that ours will be the last Zionist generation. There may yet be a Jewish state in the Middle East, but it will be a different sort, strange and ugly.

There is time to change course, but not much. What is needed is a new vision of a just society and the political will to implement it. Nor is this merely an internal Israeli affair. Diaspora Jews for whom Israel is a central pillar of their identity must pay heed and speak out. If the pillar collapses, the upper floors will come crashing down.

The Israeli opposition does not exist, and the coalition government, with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon at its head, claims the right to remain silent. In a nation of chatterboxes, everyone has suddenly fallen dumb, because there's nothing left to say. We live in a thunderously failed reality.

Yes, we Israelis have revived the Hebrew language, created a marvelous theater and a strong national currency. Our Jewish minds are as sharp as ever. We are traded on the Nasdaq. But is this why we created a state? The Jewish people did not survive for two millennia in order to pioneer new weaponry, computer security programs or antimissile missiles. We were supposed to be a light unto the nations. In this we have failed.

It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies. A state lacking justice cannot survive. More and more Israelis are coming to understand this as they ask their children where they expect to live in 25 years. Children who are honest admit, to their parents' shock, that they do not know. The countdown to the end of Israeli society has begun.

It is very comfortable to be a Zionist in West Bank settlements such as Beit El and Ofra. The biblical landscape is charming. From the window you can gaze through the geraniums and bougainvillea and not see the occupation. Traveling on the fast highway that takes you from Ramot on Jerusalem's northern edge to Gilo on the southern edge, a 12-minute trip just west of the Palestinian roadblocks, it's hard to comprehend the humiliating experience of the despised Arab who must creep for hours along the pocked, blockaded roads assigned to him. One road for the occupier, one road for the occupied.

This cannot work. Even if the Arabs lower their heads and swallow their shame and anger forever, it won't work. A structure built on human callousness will inevitably collapse in on itself. Note this moment well: Zionism's superstructure is already collapsing like a cheap Jerusalem wedding hall. Only madmen continue dancing on the top floor while the pillars below are collapsing.

Israel, having ceased to care about the children of the Palestinians, should not be surprised when they come washed in hatred and blow themselves up in the centers of Israeli escapism. They consign themselves to Allah in our places of recreation, because their own lives are torture. They spill their own blood in our restaurants in order to ruin our appetites, because they have children and parents at home who are hungry and humiliated.

We could kill a thousand ringleaders and engineers a day and nothing will be solved, because the leaders come up from below - from the wells of hatred and anger, from the "infrastructures" of injustice and moral corruption.

If all this were inevitable, divinely ordained and immutable, I would be silent. But things could be different, and so crying out is a moral imperative.

Here is what the prime minister should say to the people:

The time for illusions is over. The time for decisions has arrived. We love the entire land of our forefathers and in some other time we would have wanted to live here alone. But that will not happen. The Arabs, too, have dreams and needs.

Between the Jordan and the Mediterranean there is no longer a clear Jewish majority. And so, fellow citizens, it is not possible to keep the whole thing without paying a price. We cannot keep a Palestinian majority under an Israeli boot and at the same time think ourselves the only democracy in the Middle East. There cannot be democracy without equal rights for all who live here, Arab as well as Jew. We cannot keep the territories and preserve a Jewish majority in the world's only Jewish state - not by means that are humane and moral and Jewish.

Do you want the greater Land of Israel? No problem. Abandon democracy. Let's institute an efficient system of racial separation here, with prison camps and detention villages. Qalqilya Ghetto and Gulag Jenin.

Do you want a Jewish majority? No problem. Either put the Arabs on railway cars, buses, camels and donkeys and expel them en masse - or separate ourselves from them absolutely, without tricks and gimmicks. There is no middle path. We must remove all the settlements - all of them - and draw an internationally recognized border between the Jewish national home and the Palestinian national home. The Jewish Law of Return will apply only within our national home, and their right of return will apply only within the borders of the Palestinian state.

Do you want democracy? No problem. Either abandon the greater Land of Israel, to the last settlement and outpost, or give full citizenship and voting rights to everyone, including Arabs. The result, of course, will be that those who did not want a Palestinian state alongside us will have one in our midst, via the ballot box.

That's what the prime minister should say to the people. He should present the choices forthrightly: Jewish racism or democracy. Settlements or hope for both peoples. False visions of barbed wire, roadblocks and suicide bombers, or a recognized international border between two states and a shared capital in Jerusalem.

But there is no prime minister in Jerusalem. The disease eating away at the body of Zionism has already attacked the head. David Ben-Gurion sometimes erred, but he remained straight as an arrow. When Menachem Begin was wrong, nobody impugned his motives. No longer. Polls published two weeks ago showed that a majority of Israelis do not believe in the personal integrity of the prime minister - yet they trust his political leadership. In other words, Israel's current prime minister personally embodies both halves of the curse: suspect personal morals and open disregard for the law - combined with the brutality of occupation and the trampling of any chance for peace. This is our nation, these its leaders. The inescapable conclusion is that the Zionist revolution is dead.

Why, then, is the opposition so quiet? Perhaps because it's summer, or because they are tired, or because some would like to join the government at any price, even the price of participating in the sickness. But while they dither, the forces of good lose hope.

This is the time for clear alternatives. Anyone who declines to present a clear-cut position - black or white - is in effect collaborating in the decline. It is not a matter of Labor versus Likud or right versus left, but of right versus wrong, acceptable versus unacceptable. The law-abiding versus the lawbreakers. What is needed is not a political replacement for the Sharon government but a vision of hope, an alternative to the destruction of Zionism and its values by the deaf, dumb and callous.

Israel's friends abroad - Jewish and non-Jewish alike, presidents and prime ministers, rabbis and lay people - should choose as well. They must reach out and help Israel to navigate the road map toward our national destiny as a light unto the nations and a society of peace, justice and equality.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: avrahamburg; israel; palestinians; separation; sharon; zionism
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
By the way, Morris never denounced his earlier works as you say--which, in any case, have been amply corroborated by other sources as well. That is simply another false statement by you. He has rejected the Palestinians as objects of his sympathy, that is all--but this is something else. He has said he only believes Ben Gurion did not go far enough--not that he did not attempt to purge the new nation of indigenous Arabs. Nor can you prove what you contend--that he has renounced his own scholarship.
121 posted on 09/09/2003 8:44:32 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
There is no record of any such Arab orders, as Israel had claimed.

LOL!!! How about as multiple contemporaneous A-R-A-B sources have publicly admitted, then; theose same contemporaneous A-R-A-B sources the existence of which you've been scuttling away from in frantic, wide-eyed terror, like Dracula from the cross?

NOT "as Israel has claimed," mind.

AS. A-R-A-B-S ARABS. HAVE. CLAIMED.

Six evasions... and counting.

Rebut... or withdraw.

You're only embarrassing yourself, at this juncture. :)

122 posted on 09/09/2003 8:46:57 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: cookcounty
My (German) family is from Tilsit, East Prussia. After 1945, the Germans were kicked out (some escaped west, most disappeared into Siberia). The cities were emptied, the street names changed, the property records destroyed. The cities re-populated with Russians.

Yep, which is why the European Union, in a rare moment of wisdom, decided on July 25th that they could NOT support "Right of Return" for the Palestinians. What was done 50 or more years ago cannot be undone.

My maternal gradfather came from a town in Germany. His family had fled the Spanish inquisition more than four centuries earlies and settled there. In 1935 he was smart enough to see where the Nazis were going and took his family to Paris. Of course, the Nazis came there too. At the time he was in the French army (he had enlisted) and managed to be turned loose before he would have been deported back to Germany and his death. He ended up in the Resistance. My mother, a small child during the war, ended up as one of the "hidden children".

In the '90s my mother went back to visit her father's birthplace. She was in the town cemetary and an older woman came up to her and asked who she was looking for. She gave my grandfather's family name. The response (in German) was: "The Juden. We have no Juden here." That response sent a chill through my mothers spine. It was all so matter-of-fact.

My mother started to leave, but then the woman asked who she was. She said she was my grandfather's daughter. The woman then asked he to come to meet her husband, who, it turned out, knew my grandfather.

Still, imagine hearing: "We have no Jews here."

I hold no malice towards you. You certainly have done no wrong to me or my family. That was another generation, another time.

The point, which you make well, is that we have to go with the realities as they exist today, not as they existed 100 or more years ago. Besides, do the Palestinians want to go back to Turkish rule? That was the reality in the time they seem to glorify.

Israel is a nation of resettled refugees, from the oppression and pogroms of Eastern Europe in the last 19th and early 20th centuries, from the Holocaust, from oppression in the old Soviet Union, from the Arab countries who couldn't tolerate Jews in their midst afther Israel was created, from civil war and genocide in Ethiopa, and so on. Should they all go back where they came from? Well... go back far enough and we all came from Israel. Israel is the home of the Jewish people.

123 posted on 09/09/2003 8:51:17 AM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: ultima ratio
By the way, Morris never denounced his earlier works as you say

Lie. From "Peace? No Chance," by Benny Morris (Gamla.org, 2/23/02):

1.) "What appears to have stayed the hands of President Hafez Assad and subsequently his son and successor, Bashar Assad, was not quibbles about a few hundred yards here or there but a basic refusal to make peace with the Jewish state."

This flatly and directly contradicts what he wrote in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. Grownups (and honest debaters) routinely refer to this sort of thing -- restating an earlier argument contra to your previously held position -- as refuting one's original stance. But you knew this, of course.

2.) "After Husseini came Arafat, another implacable nationalist and inveterate liar, trusted by no Arab, Israeli or American leader (though there appear to be many Europeans who are taken in)."

This flatly and directly contradicts Morris' earlier estimation of Arafat in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee problem. Grownups (and honest debaters) routinely refer to this sort of thing -- restating an earlier argument contra to your previously held position -- as refuting one's original stance. But you knew this, of course.

3.) "The Palestinian Authority (PA) has emerged as a virtual kingdom of mendacity, where every official, from President Arafat down, spends his days lying to a succession of western journalists. The reporters routinely give the lies credence equal to or greater than what they hear from straight, or far less mendacious, Israeli officials. One day Arafat charges that the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) uses uranium-tipped shells against Palestinian civilians. The next day it's poison gas. Then, for lack of independent corroboration, the charges simply vanish - and the Palestinians go on to the next lie, again garnering headlines in western and Arab newspapers. Daily, Palestinian officials bewail Israeli "massacres" and "bombings" of Palestinian civilians - when in fact there have been no massacres and the bombings have invariably been directed at empty PA buildings."

This, of course, is in direct, screaming contradiction to Morris' own earlier conclusions, in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem; hell, it completely cancels out the earlier work, by replacing the failed and inaccurate base assumption (i.e., "Evil Jews") with one actually grounded in verifiable history and events (i.e., Arabs Attempting To Annihilate All Jews, All the Time"). Grownups (and honest debaters) routinely refer to this sort of thing -- restating an earlier argument contra to your previously held position -- as refuting one's original stance. But you knew this, of course.

4.) "But whatever my findings, we are now 50 years on - and Israel exists. Like every people, the Jews deserve a state, and justice will not be served by throwing them into the sea. And if the refugees are allowed back, there will be godawful chaos and, in the end, no Israel."

Most shriekingly obvious of all -- and the least gainsayable by you, no matter how desperately, devoutly you (clearly) wish it otherwise: the clear and unequivocal statement that there can e no "Right of Return" is a DIRECT SELF-REFUTATION of Morris' own earlier, publicly-held position on this matter... and not all the spinning and spluttering on your part will ever change that; a fact you must endeavor to incorporate and live with, as best you (ultimately) can.

Grownups (and honest debaters) routinely refer to this sort of thing -- restating an earlier argument contra to your previously held position -- as refuting one's original stance.

But you knew this, of course.

124 posted on 09/09/2003 9:09:41 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
BBC has no record--and they have ALL THE BROADCASTS on record for that time. ALL. They monitored EVERYTHING, EVERY HOUR. Neither do the Israeli archives show any record. Neither does any other entity monitoring radio at that time. I couldn't care less about what Arab sources say. I don't know what their motives are for saying what they say. I only know there is no evidence anywhere of any such Arab broadcasts--none, zilch. Besides, the exodus was sudden, abrupt--people left without clothes or possessions, families were separated. The evidence was of mass panic--as of people fleeing from terror. It was not an orderly exodus. Not only this but western journalists on the ground interviewed survivors who spoke of massacres carried out by militias later identified as Haganah and Irgun. Count Bernadotte reported these shortly afterward to the General Assembly. Later he was assassinated by the Stern Gang.

I had said I didn't want to get into this. It's not a pleasant exchange because it churns up a lot of hostility. But facts are facts.
125 posted on 09/09/2003 9:18:27 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Oh, come on--how does this refute Morris' own works? Of course Assad would not make peace and Arafat is a liar--I believe this also. But these characterizations don't add up to a refutation of his scholarship regarding what happened back in 1948. Scholars are continually adjusting their estimates of contemporary historical figures--so what? Such fine-tuning still can't make the lack of any actual documentation of widespread Arab orders for an exodus real. No such documentation exists. That is what is so significant. If it did exist, Israel would have produced it from its archives. The BBC would have found it in theirs. Other monitoring bodies would have also presented the evidence. But no such proof is available because it doesn't exist. The evidence is all to the contrary.
126 posted on 09/09/2003 9:37:07 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
I couldn't care less about what Arab sources say. I don't know what their motives are for saying what they say.

In other words: "When confronted by contemporaneous Arab evidence directly demolishing my previously held anti-Semitic beliefs, based on long discredited and disproven information... I'm opting, no reasons given, for my previously held anti-Semitic beliefs, based on long discredited and disproven information." Gotcha.

"I couldn't care less about what Arab sources say." = "I have no rebuttal. The sources -- all Arab; all anti-Zionist -- say what they say; and nothing I could cocneivably post would ever change that."

" I don't know what their motives are for saying what they say." = "It's all some dire, nefarious master plan of those dastardly, demonic JEWS, I tell you! The JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS -- !"

Good lord, kid.

Okay. Alouette was right. I'm done with you, now. :)

127 posted on 09/09/2003 9:46:28 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"cocneivably" = conceivably.
128 posted on 09/09/2003 9:47:49 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"I'm done with you now."

Good. So am I.
129 posted on 09/09/2003 9:53:34 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: US admirer
May God Bless Israel. Outside of Great Britan, our greatest ally in this world.

But the settlements have got to go. There is no other way.
130 posted on 09/09/2003 12:50:11 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: US admirer
Thank you for the article. I've not read all the responses but I'm positive it's getting bashed to death. Hopefully some people will listen and make changes. We'll see...
131 posted on 09/09/2003 1:01:12 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: philosofy123
Great comments.

The hatred these people have is only eclipsed by their wishes for armageddon to arive soon...And they feed each other.

And of course those of us who don't believe in such things are forced to suffer. After being called liberal jew hating scum and other such niceties.

Personally, I support Israel because they are one BADASS ally to have in a VERY bad part of the world. I say quadruple the finacial support we give them. But, force them to dismantle their settlements in return. And I don't care what the Bible says.
132 posted on 09/09/2003 1:06:22 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: dennisw
Ahhh...But therein lies the CATCH!

If Israel was to dimantle the settlements and allow a Palestinian state to be created, they will have held-up their end of the bargan. Then if the radical muslims keep attacking, Israel declares war and whipes them off the face of the earth.

The way it is now, the Palestinians look like (And in many ways are) the oppressed.

Israel can't have it both ways like they're trying now.
133 posted on 09/09/2003 1:10:11 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: ARCADIA
And one of the most absud things is many of these settlers REFUSE to serve in the military for religious reasons.

Amazing!! They want others to die (Including possibly me here in America via a terrorist strike) for THEIR religious beliefs.

Hypocrites.
134 posted on 09/09/2003 1:15:00 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; LindaSOG; Alouette
Oye Vayee. Schmeer! (sp?)

LOL!

135 posted on 09/09/2003 1:18:41 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TopQuark
I apologize for my impulsive outburts. I tend to get a bit agitated when I see criticisms of the Israels who I deeply respect and support. You are correct, I do tend to post "raw" at times.

Years ago, I was in an auditorium at a public university. My resources (student fees, and taxes) were used to pay for a speech by a PLO lieutenant of one certain Yasser Arafat. I saw and heard many things that day and it is forever embedded in my memory.

After the 1972 Olympic criminal action, and the countless killings of innocent Israelis, I saw the PLO speaker defend terrorist acts with the most vile propaganda and lies that I had ever known.

More disheartening to me than that was when I saw and heard certain fellow students rise up, proclaim their jewish identity and then promptly heap praise on that murderous thug and his brethren. I could barely believe my experience that day.

Over the years I have seen more of this trend in the media, and from many others in the public realm. I have concluded that there is indeed a war against the jews going on in this world.

I, will place my support with the Jews and especially the Israelis who are holding the front line for all of us against the insane people who threaten The very existence of all. I know that that is the right thing.

Again, I apologize for my rudeness.
136 posted on 09/09/2003 1:23:01 PM PDT by Radix (.)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
If Israel was to dimantle the settlements and allow a Palestinian state to be created, they will have held-up their end of the bargan. Then if the radical muslims keep attacking, Israel declares war and whipes them off the face of the earth.

This plan would fail because the Europeans, the world and the UN would make Israel into a pariah state. Make huge international boycotts same as South Africa suffered. Israel is very dependent on world trade.

You fail to understand that justice and fairness are not factors here. Europeans, the world and the UN support the Paleostinans now and would support them in your scenario too, if they had their own terrorist state that Israel had to fight to defend itself

137 posted on 09/09/2003 1:23:31 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
"The way it is now, the Palestinians look like (And in many ways are) the oppressed."

Hockey!

No tears will ever be shed for the Palis.
All of them are reserved for the mangled bodies pulled from markets and buses cause by these terrorist's bombs.
When are you and others going to see the light??!
These people are terrorists! Period!

138 posted on 09/09/2003 1:25:07 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
Hockey!

When are you and others like you going to see the light?

Not ***all*** Palis (As you put it) are terrorists. If they were, all of Israel would be ablaze in an afternoon. Period!
139 posted on 09/09/2003 1:33:46 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
"If they were, all of Israel would be ablaze in an afternoon. Period!"

And all Palis would be dead the next.
The only reason there is not more terrorist attacks in Israel is because they know if they cross that line, Israel will wipe them out - world approval or not!

140 posted on 09/09/2003 1:38:13 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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