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The President will be speaking in about an hour.
1 posted on 09/07/2003 4:18:47 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
I was going to say -- early start...?
2 posted on 09/07/2003 4:19:40 PM PDT by Eala (None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. - Milton)
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To: carton253
What network please?
5 posted on 09/07/2003 4:21:08 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: carton253
New Operation Iraqi Freedom Coins now avaiable.


30 posted on 09/07/2003 4:35:30 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: carton253
Bump for later
31 posted on 09/07/2003 4:35:35 PM PDT by Darnright
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To: carton253
I'll pay for the house band...
34 posted on 09/07/2003 4:38:12 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Yes, but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?")
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To: carton253
Well, it doesn't matter what the President says or doesn't say. The RATS and the media will attack him. And I would guess that the usual suspects on FR will do the same. As for me, I am looking forward to hearing from him. Thanks for starting the thread.
35 posted on 09/07/2003 4:38:29 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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Posted on Sun, Sep. 07, 2003
Bush appeals to other nations for aid with Iraq security, development

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - President Bush appealed to other countries Sunday for help in Iraq and told Americans that he intends to do and spend whatever it takes to transform the broken country into a democracy.

"This will take time, and require sacrifice," Bush said in an evening address to the nation from the White House, according to prepared remarks released in advance. "Yet we will do whatever is necessary, we will spend what is necessary."

Bush cast the war in Iraq as a pivotal contest between civilization and terrorism that will determine the future of the entire Middle East. He said the recent wave of terrorist bombings in Iraq underscored the stakes for both sides.

"The Middle East will either become a place of progress and peace, or it will be an exporter of violence and terror," he said. "Iraq is now the central front. Enemies of freedom are making a desperate stand there - and there they must be defeated."

He urged countries around the world to contribute troops, money and other aid. His appeal for international assistance was an acknowledgment that rebuilding Iraq has been far more difficult than administration officials had hoped.

In addition to seeking troops and financial support from the United Nations, Bush will ask Congress to commit another $60 billion to $80 billion for the effort.

"The terrorists have a strategic goal. They want us to leave Iraq before our work is done," Bush said. "They want to shake the will of the civilized world."

Top administration officials acknowledged earlier Sunday that the mission in Iraq is far from over, despite Bush's declaration four months ago that major combat had ended. And members of Congress from both parties warned that the situation could spin out of control unless Bush commits more troops and money.

"It's going to cost more and there will be continued sacrifice on the part of our young men and women," Secretary of State Colin Powell said on the Sunday talk-show circuit. "We have a long way to go."

Powell expressed hope that other countries would send as many as 15,000 troops to join 140,000 from the United States and about 22,000 from Britain and other allies.

Bush's speech was his first prime-time address on Iraq since his May 1 announcement that major combat was over. Polls indicate that public opinion about the war has deteriorated steadily since then, along with Bush's approval ratings.

Although most Americans continue to say that they approve of Bush's performance as president, the aura of invincibility that surrounded him in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks has faded amid concerns about the economy and developments in Iraq. About half of Americans think the war is going badly.

Democrats have become increasingly vocal in criticizing Bush's handling of Iraq. Republicans are starting to join them.

"Every assumption the administration made about what would happen after the war was dead wrong," Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told CBS on Sunday. Biden, who recently visited Iraq, predicted that the price tag for U.S. operations there would swell to at least $100 billion next year.

The Pentagon estimates that the war is already costing U.S. taxpayers nearly $4 billion a month.

Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said on CNN that Bush and his advisers left the impression that Iraqi citizens would throw bouquets at U.S. troops, "but they've been throwing bombs instead."

Bush hopes to avoid deploying any more U.S. troops by convincing other countries to send forces to Iraq under U.N. auspices. The foreign troops would be under U.S. command, according to a draft resolution that U.S. diplomats hope to present to the United Nations this week.

But Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., disputed Bush's assertion that no additional U.S. troops are needed.

"If you need more foreign troops, you probably need more American troops," McCain told CBS. "We need to get them there, and we need to get them there quickly."

Although normally poles apart politically, McCain and Biden agreed that reinforcements are urgently needed to maintain control of Iraq. Both expressed fears that the fragile security situation could deteriorate into a drawn-out guerilla war.

"The window is closing," Biden said. "There's still time, but it's urgent."

Although Turkey, India and Pakistan have indicated willingness to send troops under U.N. auspices, France and Germany have insisted that the United States surrender some control over Iraq's reconstruction in return for international assistance. The Bush administration is split on the issue of U.N. involvement.

Powell has long advocated a bigger role for the United Nations, but Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld oppose any reduction in U.S. control. In an indication that the internal debate had not been resolved, Powell declined to detail the U.S. position on power sharing.

"I'm not sure what we're going to give, if anything, yet," he said.

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(c) 2003, Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services.

Knight Ridder


38 posted on 09/07/2003 4:40:01 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the PING to your live thread. Sorry to see it was pulled however.
49 posted on 09/07/2003 4:47:14 PM PDT by mass55th
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Over here...
50 posted on 09/07/2003 4:48:16 PM PDT by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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A.P. and MSNBC are now reporting that the president is going to ask for $87 billion. This number is for both Afghanistan and Iraq. That is alotta money. I hope that we get some financial sharing here from our allies.
59 posted on 09/07/2003 4:51:20 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: carton253
Totally off the subject, but I flipped to CNN to see if they were talking about it. They were showing 9/11, and will be showing Part 2 at 8ET.
75 posted on 09/07/2003 4:58:34 PM PDT by mathluv
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Hi everyone!!!!

Mood Music: Dubya Dance

86 posted on 09/07/2003 5:01:29 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (16 days to go..... And whither then? I cannot say)
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ANDREW SULLIVAN.COM:

 
FLYPAPER - IT'S WORKING: Fascinating new details on how closely linked the war in Iraq is to the war against al Qaeda:

The al Qaeda network is determined to open a new front in Iraq to sustain itself as the vanguard of radical Islamic groups fighting holy war, according to European, American and Arab intelligence sources. The turn toward Iraq was made in February, as U.S. forces were preparing to attack, the sources said. Two seasoned operatives met at a safe house in eastern Iran. One of them was Mohammed Ibrahim Makawi, the military chief of al Qaeda, who is better known as Saif Adel. He welcomed a guest, Abu Musab Zarqawi, who had recently fled Iraq's Kurdish northern region in anticipation of the U.S. targeting of a radical group with which he was affiliated, Arab intelligence sources said. The encounter resulted in the dispatch of Zarqawi to become al Qaeda's man in Iraq, opening a new chapter in the history of the group and a serious threat to American forces there. "The monster is already near you," said one Arab official who is familiar with the intelligence and who spoke on condition that he not be identified by name or nationality. "I don't know if you can kill it." The official added: "Iraq is the new battleground. It is the perfect place. It will be the perfect place."
If this pans out, then the Bush administration really will have pulled off something important: taken the war to the enemy, taken it out of the West, and given us a chance for military victory. What Bush must tell us tonight is that the war in Iraq, far from having ended, is now entering its most critical phase. That's why we need more troops, more resources and more focus. Now.
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88 posted on 09/07/2003 5:02:02 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: carton253
As I tuned in, waiting for the speech to come, I surfed to C-SPAM which was rebroadcasting Thursday's democRAT debate. I couldn't help but note the totally inane reply by Gov. Dean, when asked about balancing security needs vis a vis immigration.

He starts off by railing against profiling of all shapes and form, saying it doesn't work and blaming everything on Republicans. Then, after he sets down that marker, he says it is stupid to allow 9/11 to affect immigration from Latin America. "After all," he says, "last time I looked, not one of those 9/11 terrorists was from Latin America."

Did he not just engage in racial profiling in order to justify his second point?! And the stupic RATs in the audience cheered to both his points. Geez... what a pandering hypocrite.
101 posted on 09/07/2003 5:06:09 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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Thanks for the thread, carton.

Over here!


208 posted on 09/07/2003 5:27:47 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("You can either be part of the solution or get out of our way." ~ Chiefwiggles in Baghdad, 8/31)
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To: carton253
Here we go!
233 posted on 09/07/2003 5:31:34 PM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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bump/ping
243 posted on 09/07/2003 5:32:08 PM PDT by pulaskibush
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Interesting ... the arrows are still be shown on the Great Seal flag on his left.
245 posted on 09/07/2003 5:32:30 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam : totalitarian political ideology / meme cloaked under the cover of religion)
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Who's keeping count of the number of "terrorism" "terrorists" mentions in the speech? I lost count at around 10.

Richard W.

275 posted on 09/07/2003 5:36:22 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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Change every time he says "terrorist" with the word "liberal"
295 posted on 09/07/2003 5:38:30 PM PDT by Porterville (I spell stuff wrong sometimes, get over yourself, you're not that great.)
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