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The President's Speech - Live Thread
carton253

Posted on 09/07/2003 4:18:46 PM PDT by carton253

Live thread for the President's speech!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; livethread; speech
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To: cmsgop
Im not buying the beer this time. I got screwed last time.

but that's why one buys the beer!

dep

21 posted on 09/07/2003 4:29:35 PM PDT by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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To: carton253
Cincinnati! I'm going to be there for several days a month from now. Montgomery Ribs, you say?
22 posted on 09/07/2003 4:30:17 PM PDT by Eala (None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. - Milton)
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To: Eala
Jeff Shaara wrote Gods and Generals. His father wrote the Killer Angels, which was turned into the movie Gettysburg.
23 posted on 09/07/2003 4:30:20 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: Eala
Yes... and you have to have Cincinnati chili. Skyline or Gold Star... let me know if you need to know anything about the city.
24 posted on 09/07/2003 4:31:16 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: Dog
I have it on DVD... glad you've joined us...
25 posted on 09/07/2003 4:32:06 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: Eala
"Who's Jeff Shaara?"

He's the author of Gods and General, Gone for Soldiers, The last Full Measure and others...and the son of Michael Shaara, the author of the Killer Angels. I saw the interview earlier. It is very good...and three hours long.

26 posted on 09/07/2003 4:33:29 PM PDT by gorush
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To: carton253
Thanks. I had Cincinnati chili last time I was there, summer 2001, I think. I'm going to be out by the university this time, but haven't checked maps, etc.
27 posted on 09/07/2003 4:33:56 PM PDT by Eala (None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. - Milton)
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To: Eala
I know that area well... just let me know if you need anything...
28 posted on 09/07/2003 4:35:04 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: carton253
Is there a time frame for The Last Full Measure?
29 posted on 09/07/2003 4:35:04 PM PDT by Eala (None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. - Milton)
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To: carton253
New Operation Iraqi Freedom Coins now avaiable.


30 posted on 09/07/2003 4:35:30 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: carton253
Bump for later
31 posted on 09/07/2003 4:35:35 PM PDT by Darnright
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To: Eala
For the movie?
32 posted on 09/07/2003 4:35:42 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: carton253
Sorry, yes.
33 posted on 09/07/2003 4:37:55 PM PDT by Eala (None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. - Milton)
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To: carton253
I'll pay for the house band...
34 posted on 09/07/2003 4:38:12 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Yes, but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?")
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To: carton253
Well, it doesn't matter what the President says or doesn't say. The RATS and the media will attack him. And I would guess that the usual suspects on FR will do the same. As for me, I am looking forward to hearing from him. Thanks for starting the thread.
35 posted on 09/07/2003 4:38:29 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: Wait4Truth
It does matter. This President connects with the people... and he needs to speak so that he can be heard outside of the media and rat spin and revision.
36 posted on 09/07/2003 4:39:35 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: cmsgop; Tennessee_Bob
I got screwed last time

First time? That's twice as many as Tennessee Bob.

37 posted on 09/07/2003 4:39:58 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican (Hey, sorry, you left yourself an easy target.)
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To: carton253
Posted on Sun, Sep. 07, 2003
Bush appeals to other nations for aid with Iraq security, development

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - President Bush appealed to other countries Sunday for help in Iraq and told Americans that he intends to do and spend whatever it takes to transform the broken country into a democracy.

"This will take time, and require sacrifice," Bush said in an evening address to the nation from the White House, according to prepared remarks released in advance. "Yet we will do whatever is necessary, we will spend what is necessary."

Bush cast the war in Iraq as a pivotal contest between civilization and terrorism that will determine the future of the entire Middle East. He said the recent wave of terrorist bombings in Iraq underscored the stakes for both sides.

"The Middle East will either become a place of progress and peace, or it will be an exporter of violence and terror," he said. "Iraq is now the central front. Enemies of freedom are making a desperate stand there - and there they must be defeated."

He urged countries around the world to contribute troops, money and other aid. His appeal for international assistance was an acknowledgment that rebuilding Iraq has been far more difficult than administration officials had hoped.

In addition to seeking troops and financial support from the United Nations, Bush will ask Congress to commit another $60 billion to $80 billion for the effort.

"The terrorists have a strategic goal. They want us to leave Iraq before our work is done," Bush said. "They want to shake the will of the civilized world."

Top administration officials acknowledged earlier Sunday that the mission in Iraq is far from over, despite Bush's declaration four months ago that major combat had ended. And members of Congress from both parties warned that the situation could spin out of control unless Bush commits more troops and money.

"It's going to cost more and there will be continued sacrifice on the part of our young men and women," Secretary of State Colin Powell said on the Sunday talk-show circuit. "We have a long way to go."

Powell expressed hope that other countries would send as many as 15,000 troops to join 140,000 from the United States and about 22,000 from Britain and other allies.

Bush's speech was his first prime-time address on Iraq since his May 1 announcement that major combat was over. Polls indicate that public opinion about the war has deteriorated steadily since then, along with Bush's approval ratings.

Although most Americans continue to say that they approve of Bush's performance as president, the aura of invincibility that surrounded him in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks has faded amid concerns about the economy and developments in Iraq. About half of Americans think the war is going badly.

Democrats have become increasingly vocal in criticizing Bush's handling of Iraq. Republicans are starting to join them.

"Every assumption the administration made about what would happen after the war was dead wrong," Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told CBS on Sunday. Biden, who recently visited Iraq, predicted that the price tag for U.S. operations there would swell to at least $100 billion next year.

The Pentagon estimates that the war is already costing U.S. taxpayers nearly $4 billion a month.

Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said on CNN that Bush and his advisers left the impression that Iraqi citizens would throw bouquets at U.S. troops, "but they've been throwing bombs instead."

Bush hopes to avoid deploying any more U.S. troops by convincing other countries to send forces to Iraq under U.N. auspices. The foreign troops would be under U.S. command, according to a draft resolution that U.S. diplomats hope to present to the United Nations this week.

But Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., disputed Bush's assertion that no additional U.S. troops are needed.

"If you need more foreign troops, you probably need more American troops," McCain told CBS. "We need to get them there, and we need to get them there quickly."

Although normally poles apart politically, McCain and Biden agreed that reinforcements are urgently needed to maintain control of Iraq. Both expressed fears that the fragile security situation could deteriorate into a drawn-out guerilla war.

"The window is closing," Biden said. "There's still time, but it's urgent."

Although Turkey, India and Pakistan have indicated willingness to send troops under U.N. auspices, France and Germany have insisted that the United States surrender some control over Iraq's reconstruction in return for international assistance. The Bush administration is split on the issue of U.N. involvement.

Powell has long advocated a bigger role for the United Nations, but Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld oppose any reduction in U.S. control. In an indication that the internal debate had not been resolved, Powell declined to detail the U.S. position on power sharing.

"I'm not sure what we're going to give, if anything, yet," he said.

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(c) 2003, Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services.

Knight Ridder


38 posted on 09/07/2003 4:40:01 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Eala
Shaara didn't say anything about the book being turned into a movie. He did say that next summer Gods and Generals extended version will be out. Six hours long.
39 posted on 09/07/2003 4:40:51 PM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: Howlin
Over here...
40 posted on 09/07/2003 4:40:59 PM PDT by Dog
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