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To: donmeaker
The monster was named "Davis" and his chief henchman was named "Lee". At least Varina came to realize the error of his ways.

People like you are so funny. You completely ignore the actions and war crimes of those you idolize.

Davis was a politican, nuff said. But Lee was the absolute embodiment of the statement, "An Officer and a Gentleman".

If you look at the documents of the officers on both sides of that war and you will note that 90% of them, including Grant, agree with my statement.

Grant: " Let us have peace."

You must mean 'peace of the grave', because when Grant was finished with the South, he turn his attention to the West and committed GENOCIDE against the native americans.

48 posted on 09/06/2003 5:49:23 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You must mean 'peace of the grave', because when Grant was finished with the South, he turn his attention to the West and committed GENOCIDE against the native americans.

I believe Grant was a moral president with very bad advisors and a zealot - Sheridan - who despised indians as much as rebs.

I believe the greatest hero of the war was Stonewall Jackson. Here was a thoroughly moral and Christian man (who taught Sunday School to slaves), who was defending his home against an INVADER, and who believed that God won all his battles (and I agree with him). Let us remember that Lincoln called up 75,000 troops for an invasion long before Ft. Sumter, and it was a reaction to this planned invasion that caused Lee to also stand for Virginia.

From all I have read (I am a yankee with southern sympathies), I believe the south had a Constitutional right to secede, and I believe the southern leadership was more moral than the northern leadership in many instances.

In short, I believe the war was a judgment of God on both sides. The north was an immoral and godless society in many ways, and the destruction of the south and Reconstruction proved it.

336 posted on 09/12/2003 11:40:09 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: Paul C. Jesup
PLEASE call my people the American Indians.

i do NOT know of a single Indian, who likes that PC-term = native americans, which came out of the poison ivy league & self-righteous LEFT (unless you ONLY mean that the person was born in the Americas.)in the 1960s. not one!

free dixie,sw

451 posted on 09/13/2003 11:03:42 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Lee was the perfect embodiment of .....


Which is what always confused me about Lee. How could such a decent man own slaves? How could he support the slave power? How could he spend 10s of years in the Army, and then resign when his services were most desparately needed?

At least he freed his slaves before the war was over. And at least Grant showed laudible mercy with the captured prisoners, in both Vicksburg and in the surrender terms in Virginia.

Genocide in the west began long before Grant took over. A stone age people wanted to continue to be a stone age people, partly because they always had been. A steam and steel age people also wanted to grow, and use the same land as the stone age people, because they could. It seemed unoccupied, compared to the teaming cities of the east.

I don't know how it could have ended differently. I submit that any indian which didnt care for the competition could have withdrawn to the reservation. There still are indians, so genocide didn't occur. Seneca, Mohawk, Lakota, Apache, Navaho, Hopi, all are still alive.

The fact is, you can keep what you can keep. The indians were unable to keep all the land they had held before the europeans arrived. The native americans conquered the land from the people who were there before, and were in turn conquered by the people who came after.

You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in you.
952 posted on 10/11/2003 2:55:25 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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