ABORTION-SLAY REV EXECUTED

New York Post ^ | 9/04/03 | GERSH KUNTZMAN

[kattracks]

September 4, 2003 -- As a violent thunderstorm flickered and dimmed the lights in Florida's execution chamber, a former minister was put to death last night for murdering an abortion doctor.

Paul Hill used his last breaths to call upon right-to-lifers to continue the fight - by any means necessary.

[wimpycat]

Amen to that.

[flyer182]

Yep.....and remember, Jesus would kill you with a shotgun because it is the right thing to do, really.

[Poohbah]

"You besmirch all of Pro-Life people that obey the law.

Yes, I certainly do. Pro-Lifer's condone the murder of innocents.

So why aren't you walking the walk instead of just talking the talk?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

We can now expect to hear the hysterical shrieks of "they're banning free speech again" in certain misanthropic circles, along with the usual plaudits and kudos of the banned poster, how great they were, how FR has become a mindless bunch of drones, yadda, yadda. In an effort to pile on before that starts, I offer this gem on a different topic, and remind everyone that the enemy of our enemy is not always our friend. His thoughts on Sarah Brady.

[Poohbah]

S**t. I wanted to hear his excuse for saying "do as I say, not as I do."

Of course, apropos of my earlier joke...man, when those black helicopters are hovering over their homes 24/7, folks like F.J. Mitchell, Polycarp, and wcbtinman are going to have one HELL of a time raking leaves this fall.

[Long Cut]

Yeah, those types make us all look SOOOOooo good as conservatives.

I swear though, Chance, nowadays I see more vitriol directed AT conservatives BY fellow conservatives because they don't agree with some select doctrine or toe some ideological line than at the damned Left!

Just look at any "AH-Nold" related thread for evidence of this. The "RINO" designation is flung about with such reckless abandon that it's become a joke, and the bile slung about on the Crevo threads here required a bloody "Agreement Of The Willing", signed by all involved, to end such fun as calling someone who believed in Evolutionary Theory a communist!

Is this what it's come to? is the extreme Right now enforcing its own brand of politically-correct purity? If so, I fear we are doomed as a movement. Ronald Reagan welcomed conservatives of ALL stripes to the Republican Party, and enjoyed huge victories as a result. This constant ripping and tearing of...OURSELVES can never do that.

[Long Cut]

"If a few hundred people had done the same thing, and were successful in eliminating legalized abortion in this country, they would be called "a just, righteous movement of principled people."

I must disagree. They would be called, rightly, two things in quick succession: Rioters and Targets.

I would shed no tears at all for them.

[E Rocc]

I don't have the details on how the shoot went down. so I can't answer that. I can only think that the bodyguard was trying to stop Hill from his mission.

His mission??? HIS MISSION???!?!??

Well he got the first letter right. One less letter in the proper word though.

-Eric

[Buckeye Bomber]

Wow, since your lovely little post was to me, I feel somehow honored that it was banned. On the other hand, you sicken me.

The Jesus I know doesn't send people on missions to kill doctors nor does he send them to kill bodyguards in cold blood. And just so you know, the bodyguard was shot twice, and both him and his wife, who was also shot, were unarmed. Not as if I'd support killing him if he had a gun, since I have respect for the rule of law, but your argument is without merit. Not like you're going to respond to any posts. I've noticed that when someone starts to lose a debate on Free Republic, or when they are outed as a nutjob, they just fade away. But I'm sure you think you're leaving us all behind in our Godless life-hating.

Everyone else: Is this Army of God group classified as a terrorist organization? And if not, why not?

[Long Cut]

Bump to #220.

[Buckeye Bomber]

And just so everone knows, my respect for the rule of law is not the only reason I think killing abortion doctors and their bodyguards is wrong. I don't want people to get that impression. I'll repeat an earlier statement. Killing people is bad.

[Long Cut]

It certainly should be. They support most of the clinic bombers and shooters, and encourage others.

[E Rocc]

Of course, apropos of my earlier joke...man, when those black helicopters are hovering over their homes 24/7, folks like F.J. Mitchell, Polycarp, and wcbtinman are going to have one HELL of a time raking leaves this fall.

Never mind all the itching from the ones in their bloodstreams.

-Eric

[Buckeye Bomber]

Good Lord man, where do you live? I think America is doing pretty well. Only option? Sorry, I'll stick with reasonable political debate and let the police and military take care of "revolutionaries" such as yourself.

I remember in a high school morality class we discussed abortion as the only issue that could create another civil war, were it more regionally divisive. I had no idea who they could be talking about, since I thought abortion remained a political issue to be discussed. I almost feel like I found some sort of rare bird by finding a person who advocates the overthrow of the United States government to eliminate abortion.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Is this Army of God group classified as a terrorist organization? And if not, why not?

I'm pretty positive they're on an FBI watch list, but I agree that they need to be on a list with Al Quaeda. Find 'em, find their funders, find their ideological leaders, dry up the money, take their guns and get them out of the business of radicalizing and recruiting ordinary Right to Life people - let everyone see that there is no percentage in joining these thugs.

[Buckeye Bomber]

http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/american3.html

According to this, the US maintains no list of domestic terror groups. Not only that, the powers to use informants to infiltrate these dangerous groups is limited. That link is a good q and a on domestic terrosists, including the eco-terrorists of ELF. It also has the official list of foreign terror groups.

[Long Cut]

Buck, you should read what some of these people say! I'm convinced that if Usama bin Laden himself claimed that 9-11 was about abortion, and that if they agreed to follow HIM, he'd outlaw it under pain of death, SOME people would run him for President.

This ONE issue dominates their lives and outlook. What you are seeing is the narrow, solid focus of fanatacism.

[Dave S]

Even Godless athiests like yourself understand abortion is murder. You just refuse to admit it.

Dont presume to know my faith, Bud. Im not an athiest and never have been.

Killing a living human being, a fetus, a dog, a lab rat and a mosquito are not all equally bad. Not all killing is murder. There is a hieracrchy of killing and what Hill did is far worse than what even an abortion doctor has ever done. Get a grip on reality you fool.

[Alberta's Child]

I must disagree. They would be called, rightly, two things in quick succession: Rioters and Targets.

Note that I specifically said they were "successful" in achieving their goals in the U.S., which means the end result of their hypothetical action was that abortion was illegal in this country.

I would shed no tears at all for them.

That's up to you. But please bear in mind that under the scenario I presented, your statement precisely reflects the attitude of British loyalists who lived in the U.S. in the immediate aftermath of the American Revolution. They may have been "right" (in British terms) when they complained about the rebels who had fought against the crown, but that really didn't mean all that much as they fled to Canada.

[E Rocc]

I remember in a high school morality class we discussed abortion as the only issue that could create another civil war, were it more regionally divisive. I had no idea who they could be talking about, since I thought abortion remained a political issue to be discussed. I almost feel like I found some sort of rare bird by finding a person who advocates the overthrow of the United States government to eliminate abortion.

One of the things that makes the abortion issue different is there are grey areas. Personally, I'd ban abortions (except to save the life or permanent physical health of the mother) after fetal brain activity begins. Before that it is scientifically impossible for there to be individuality present, after that we just don't know. I've caught hell from both sides of the issue for taking that stand. Those who insist on none after conception....IMO they are more interested in preserving the "consequences" of sex they don't approve of than they are about human life.

The real radicals, a ban on abortion is not all they want. Some (Randall Terry, IIRC) have called for a legal ban on birth control (same reason as above, just more blunt). Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association has about as much respect for individual liberty as Osama bin Laden or Fidel Castro. He advocates strict censorship of the media and numerous laws to ensure that people at least act like good Pentecostalists. The "reconstructionists" and "Christian Identity" folks are worse, they want a strict "Christian Nation" with no "sinning" (as they define) allowed at all.

I consider these people more dangerous than our indigenous Muslims, most of whom were either born here or moved here to escape their own breed of fundamentalists.

-Eric