Posted on 09/04/2003 12:33:34 AM PDT by kattracks
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:16:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
September 4, 2003 -- As a violent thunderstorm flickered and dimmed the lights in Florida's execution chamber, a former minister was put to death last night for murdering an abortion doctor.
Paul Hill used his last breaths to call upon right-to-lifers to continue the fight - by any means necessary.
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I'm not sure the whole notion of a "theocracy" is even relevant to this discussion. Nothing that Paul Hill did was necessarily based (by definition) on religious convictions. I know an avowed (pro-life) atheist with a razor-sharp intellect who would probably have done the same thing a long time ago if he were a little less stable, perhaps.
Nice try, but this is simply not true.
Paul Hill killed the two men outside the Florida abortion clinic on July 29, 1994. The Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act was passed by both Houses of Congress in the spring of 1994, and signed into law by Bill Clinton in late May of that year.
If anything, the passage of the FACE Act was probably one of the factors that drove Paul Hill to commit these crimes. The fact that his crimes were committed only two months after the passage of the FACE Act lends some credibility to this point. The FACE Act was aimed specifically at non-violent protesters, not violent assailants, in that it elevated the act of demonstrating on public property outside an abortion clinic to a level of criminality above and beyond even a demonstration on the grounds of a highly sensitive military facility. It would have been passed years earlier during the height of the Operation Rescue demonstrations, but was never enacted into law until the Democratic Party controlled the White House and both Houses of Congress.
Ironically, violence against abortion clinics was almost non-existent before the FACE Act was passed. Contrary to what the pro-abortion movement proclaimed at the time, a crowd of peaceful demonstrators outside an abortion clinic is one of the best means of protection against violence that an abortion clinic can ever have.
How many did the abortionist murder?
Well if it gets to the point that many Pro-Lifers start going around killing people, there are going to be a lot of people that will go out and mow down Pro-Lifers as they parade in front of clinics. Sure you want to go that route? Sounds like your Taliban faction of the Fundy Right is ready to Jihad. Hope you get your 72 virgins, its not likely that First Degree Murderers are going to Heaven.
Not sure how relevant? You fundys always seem to feel that you are above the law and that Gods law (as you understand it) is superior to the law of the land. When you can get God to come down here, perform a few miracles to prove himself and then say yeah thats what I really want, then maybe I will listen. But until then, the Bible can be interpreted in many ways and one cant go around commmitting murder and then say its the will of God. Thats a load of crap. Premeditated murder is a sin. Blaming it on God is sacrilege.
None as far as you or Hill are concerned. If the abortionist has committed murder, then its God, not some asshole that gets to make that determination.
LOL. I'm not sure what "fundys" you're talking about, but I don't think that term applies to me.
I'm not necessarily arguing in favor of what Hill did -- I just think it's kind of interesting how the issue is approached.
Yes, I certainly do. Pro-Lifer's condone the murder of innocents.
Yes they have. I have heard those very sentiments from various presidential administrations over the years.
I don't support the "law of the jungle", whatever that is. As for Vigilantism, in certain situations, absent a functioning court/legal system, yes I believe it is sometimes appropriate.
The real problem here is that you, and others of your ilk can't just pussyfoot around this issue much longer. Lines are being drawn, and sides are being chosen. Your own concience will have to dictate where you come down on this. It is apparent however, that working within the "system" ain't goin' nowhere. Socialists in this country have been making up the rules as they go for some 60 years, and literally getting away with murder due to conservative cowards scared shitless of being called names by a bunch of lowlife scumbags who are taking our entire civilization down the toilet.
I can't believe that moral, Christian citizens of the United States of America have put up with it this long. The dam is about to burst, and all of these bastards are going to swept away. Don't lecture me about vigilantism. It's fast becoming the only ioption left.
Even Godless athiests like yourself understand abortion is murder. You just refuse to admit it.
His mission??? HIS MISSION???!?!??
If your statement weren't so psychotic, I'd be rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at the notion that half assed, dimwitted, demented, slackjawed, drooling psychopathic slugs like Paul Hill, Eric Rudolph and Nuclear Chihuahua were some sort of heroes and agents for good.
Drop the copy of "The Turner Diaries", clown-boy, it is rotting the fetid mass that has substituted itself for your brain.
It strikes me that it is not simple similarity that I see between maniacs like Hill, et.al, and the Muslim fundaMENTALists we are at war with, but a mirror-image.
ALL claim to be unable to work within their systems of government for change (which, maybe it's just me, but it indicates both laziness and impatience, not inability per se), ALL reach for the gun or knife or explosive belt VERY quickly indeed, and ALL perform their acts with outright glee and total disregard for any innocents involved.
ALL would impose their own version of tyranny upon their nations, with their OWN mullahs in total charge, of course. Finally, ALL work overtime to induct and brainwash disaffected, ignorant young people to follow in their footsteps.
The only difference I can discern is in what name they give their god. Some call him "Allah", some use "Yaweh", some use only "God", or "Jesus". Some have even used the god of Communism. The tactics, methods, and rhetoric remain identical, as does the overall goal...establishment of a totalitarian system, only one which THEY agree with.
I particularly like the repeated attempts to twist our Founding Documents to support this...it would be ironic, if it were not so frightening. The only document mentioning a Creator at all is the Declaration of Independance, which as has been pointed out, carries no force of law. In NO Document is "Christianity", or indeed, any OTHER religion specifically mentioned and in fact when mentioned at all in the Bill Of Rights, the government is enjoined from any establisment thereof.
No matter how this Sailor slices it, there is no evidence or support for the idea that America is supposed to be a "Christian" or "Godly" nation, over and above its enumerated Constitution. The available evidence indicates quite the contrary.
I swore an Oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and to me that means ALL of it, not just those parts I happen to like. There's some I don't...like the Sixteenth Amendment, for instance. However, you'll not find me shooting IRS agents. Instead, I'll work within the rules established in that same Constitution for the change I want. It takes time, effort, and work to do that, but it's ultimately the same rules we all have to work under. It is not "conviction" to attempt to short-circuit those rules, nor is it martyrdom. Personally, I see it as an attack upon the nation itself, one borne out of impatience, laziness, and pure psychopathic bloodlust.
I swore an Oath to myself when I joined the Navy...to oppose that sort of violent tyranny REGARDLESS of what mask of ideology it wears, for ultimately, it can only destroy our Liberty and Security, and replace it only with opression and death, no less the tragic because one or the other sect agrees with it.
Paul Hill and others like him in methods and tactics and mindset are simply differing heads of the same Hydra of tyranny and totalitarianism, no less so because of their purported "cause". They ALL need to be cut off, and the stumps burned. It is my pleasure and honor to be part of that effort.
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