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Understanding Jihad (by a Muslim)
Understanding Jihad ^ | Dr. Israr Ahmad

Posted on 09/03/2003 7:46:20 AM PDT by dennisw

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1 posted on 09/03/2003 7:46:20 AM PDT by dennisw
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Understanding Jihad is like trying to understand Nazi's exterminating Jews.

What's to understand? Both groups are/were a bunch of misfits and driven by malignant narcissism.
2 posted on 09/03/2003 7:49:44 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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In other words, you want us "lowly" Christians to lay down and play dead so you can waltz in and take charge? Yeah right.
3 posted on 09/03/2003 7:51:05 AM PDT by mhking (You bad? You want a piece of this? C'mon, then -- bring it on...)
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To: dennisw
What is jihad?
4 posted on 09/03/2003 7:51:58 AM PDT by Consort
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Oh,I get it. We don't have communism to fight anymore so,being the nasty people that we are,we are picking on the Muslims.


5 posted on 09/03/2003 7:52:19 AM PDT by Mears
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I ccould give you 72 virgins raisins why this story is apologetic propaganda moderate Islam is a trojan horse
6 posted on 09/03/2003 7:53:33 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: dennisw
Might I recommend saving comments for the "comments" section of the thread. I would rather read articles uneditted.
7 posted on 09/03/2003 7:57:18 AM PDT by Jalapeno
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"...to undertake the Jihad for the establishment of the domination of Islam over all other systems of life, all over the world."

Notice that their goal is for ISLAM to dominate the world. They did not mention anything about "God" dominating the world. It appears that is "they" who want to dominate the world instead of God.

8 posted on 09/03/2003 7:57:45 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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This is one of those "moderate" muslims. You know, the kind who claim to be peaceful, but somehow always manage to find excuses for the extremists and terrorists. IMO, muslims who don't unconditionally condemn the actions of muslim extremists should be put into the same category as the extremists themselves. Making excuses for them is an insult to the thousands of their victims all over the world.

9 posted on 09/03/2003 8:07:10 AM PDT by Seselj
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After four decades of Cold War, the Western powers suddenly found themselves without a legitimate enemy, and, consequently, they have designated Islam and the Muslims as the most deadly threat to world peace.

He's right, you know. The World Trade Center was expressly built to intrap hapless muslims in our desire for a new, refreshing enemy to fight.

10 posted on 09/03/2003 8:07:31 AM PDT by tbpiper
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A serious question: What's your thinking about my bolding some text? Making some text blue? Does this detract? I worry about people skimming and missing the important part.
11 posted on 09/03/2003 8:11:45 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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Gee, I wonder what those "moderate" muslims who post here think about this?
12 posted on 09/03/2003 8:13:36 AM PDT by wtc911
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"A Muslim must put in a great deal of hard labor in fulfilling these obligations, he must exercise all his abilities and all his resources if he is to fulfill his duties. In other words, he is required to engage in a constant Jihad."

Moslem religion requires that moslems work hard, the true God of heaven says to come unto Him and find rest.

Moslems are required by their god to defend their anemic god with jihad, the true God of heaven says "..stand still and see the salvation of the Lord.

Islam requires that they fight with the sword against all other religions, the true God of heaven says that His kingdom is not of this world else would his servants fight.

Moslems have a phony god, hence islam is a phony religion.

QED

13 posted on 09/03/2003 8:15:15 AM PDT by nightdriver
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The stages of Islamic conquest:
  1. Infiltrate under the guise of "peaceful Islam"
  2. Agitate for Islam being "accepted"
  3. Agitate for people who speak out against Islam to be silenced
  4. Take direct violent action against those who speak out against Islam
  5. Take over the government, and put to the sword all those who refuse to convert

14 posted on 09/03/2003 8:16:16 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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Muslims had better remember that the rest of the world will not accept being 'dominated' by a barbaric cult of violence that is based on animalistic urges and lust for power rather than rational thought.
15 posted on 09/03/2003 8:20:18 AM PDT by Post Toasties
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Jihad is a sharp scimitar and the body parts of 'infidels' floating in a pool of blood. Beware the siren song of the 'religion of pieces.'
16 posted on 09/03/2003 8:25:26 AM PDT by Eastbound
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After four decades of Cold War, the Western powers suddenly found themselves without a legitimate enemy, and, consequently, they have designated Islam and the Muslims as the most deadly threat to world peace.

Why read any more. The Islamist declared war on the US. We are responding to their attacks.

As far a misunderstanding Jihad, what's to not understand about mad men screaming Jihad and death to America in the same breath?

The only misunderstanding is “Islam means peace”.

17 posted on 09/03/2003 8:28:38 AM PDT by DB (©)
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Reason I posted this was because he lays out this multi-stage plan for Islamic conquest. Modeled on the so called prophet's life of course. Maybe you were expecting something original? (/grin)
18 posted on 09/03/2003 8:44:08 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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Muslims had better remember that the rest of the world will not accept being 'dominated' by a barbaric cult of violence

Tell that to those unfortunates in the countries it already dominates - about 1/4 of the globe, all countries which were once non-Muslim.

When Islam shows up with the sword, it is not just to conquer, but convert. Those do don't go along with the program either get eliminated or broken quickly and relegated to completely powerless, second-class status forever.

If Islam isn't isn't totally beaten in a country early enough, it quickly becomes "too late". You don't get a "second chance" with this deadly cult. It took centuries to drive the Moors out of Spain and that had to be done by outsiders, not the oppressed population. The resident population doesn't have a chance of doing it.

That's one reason Muslims are so furious over our invasion of Iraq. They look upon us as Infidel invaders who are trying to get rid of Islam, not just Saddam, whom they would happily put up with because he is a fellow Muslim. To Muslims, the House Of Islam and it's victory in the world is much more important than any little thing like "human rights", which in any case are not recognized in Islam.

19 posted on 09/03/2003 9:14:46 AM PDT by Gritty
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Right. The guy makes an argument that Jihad is not Holy War per se and implies that its perception as such results from misinformation and misunderstanding from liberals. He then goes on to illuminate its definition as being a multi-stage process that culminates with holy war and world conquest. The reason he gives for not pursuing physical war is only that Muslims might not have the necessary resources to win. So what are we to think of Iran pursuing nukes?

The more I look at Islam the less I believe we will avoid a serious global blood letting. Forcible domination of the world is one of the roots of Islam. Clearly the world will never submit to this. They have been on an agenda for 1300+ years and we have absolutely no reason to believe they will ever stop.

Our only hope is that "moderate" Muslims bring about a major change in Islam itself. Maybe they will conclude one day that armed conflict can only bring destruction in modern times and it is, therefor, un-Islamic to pursue it.

I fear that the more likely outcome, given WMD proliferation, is that we are going to have to teach the Muslims some lessons that will be very painful for the entire world. If the only reason they have for not pursuing armed conflict would be a realization that they would be crushed then we have no choice but to keep crushing them until they change their position.

This sucks but we didn't ask for it this way. They defined their religion such that the entire world has no choice but to defend against it.
20 posted on 09/03/2003 9:22:33 AM PDT by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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