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Taliban Shop In Pakistan For Guns To Fuel War
The Telegraph (UK) ^
| 9-3-2003
| Ahmed Rashid
Posted on 09/02/2003 4:32:59 PM PDT by blam
Taliban shop in Pakistan for guns to fuel war
(Filed: 03/09/2003)
Tribes on the Afghan border are giving fighters sanctuary, reports Ahmed Rashid in Gulanai
Just a few miles from the Afghan border in Pakistan's Mohmand tribal agency, Haji Ahmed Khan stocks everything a Taliban or al-Qa'eda fighter might want.
His shop in Gulanai is packed to the rafters with Chinese-made Kalashnikovs for as little as £150, pallets of ammunition, sleeping bags, water bottles and flak jackets.
The Taliban's renewed offensive in Afghanistan is being fuelled by fighters, arms, money and logistical support from Pakistan's border areas of North West Frontier Province and Baluchistan.
Pathan tribesmen there are overwhelmingly opposed to the presence of American forces in Pakistan and Afghanistan and deeply sympathetic to the Taliban, who are fellow Pathans.
That sense of Pathan brotherhood is even stronger in the seven federally administered tribal agencies which run north to south in a 750-mile-long wedge between Afghanistan and the settled areas of the North West Frontier Province.
The agencies are under the control of Pakistan, but the tribes have been semi-autonomous since the British Raj. They have always carried arms and sold arms to everyone in the region, from Tamil Tigers and Kashmiri militants to the Taliban.
"The Taliban are clean, honest, believe in Islam and will rout the Americans," said Shakirullah, another shopkeeper in Mohmand. "Anyone fighting the Americans is our friend."
Isolated from mainstream Pakistan and the media, misinformation is rampant. In dozens of interviews it is clear that the people of Mohmand still refuse to accept that al-Qa'eda carried out the September 11 attacks. They believe they were carried out by "the CIA and the Jews".
Most also believe that the Americans hate all Pathans. "Bush has said many times that all Pathans are evil because the Taliban are Pathan," said Haji Baram Khan, the owner of a hotel and shop in the town. In fact President George W Bush has never criticised the Pathans.
After the defeat of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Pakistani army entered the tribal agencies one by one at the request of American forces, who are patrolling on the Afghan side of the border looking for al-Qa'eda units.
In August, at the behest of the Americans, thousands of Pakistani troops occupied the Mohmand agency for the first time.
"Pakistani troops are all along the border now and we are co-operating with the US coalition forces in Afghanistan," said Lt Gen Mohammed Ali Jan Orakzai, the corps commander on the north-west frontier.
But the army has not stopped the flow of guns and fighters to the Taliban.
For 10 days, up to 1,000 Taliban have been fighting a similar number of American and Afghan government troops in southern Afghanistan.
Yesterday, the Afghan army launched assaults on Taliban forces which have infiltrated the barren mountain ranges of Paktia, Zabol and Oruzgan in recent months.
Rather than retreat, the Taliban are pouring in more recruits from Pakistan to take on the Americans, who are trying to beat them back with heavy air bombardment.
About 300 Taliban reinforcements, led by Anmir Khan Muttaqi, the former education minister, pushed across the Pakistan border into Afghanistan overnight, a senior commander said.
The Taliban are striking at Afghan and American positions all along the border. Three Americans, 20 Afghans and 100 Taliban have died in the heaviest fighting in the past two years.
A group of US special forces soldiers is believed to be operating in the Mohmand agency, but they are holed up in safe houses provided by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence and rarely venture out
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; armsbuildup; kalashnikovs; pakistan; shop; southasia; southasialist; taliban; talibanlist; war
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posted on
09/02/2003 4:32:59 PM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
Sounds like this is an area ripe for a "hearts & minds " campain....
'Course the Paki's would s#*t!! But they can't even pee strait so getting this area under some sort of control would be impossible.
Notice something else? "...Chinese Aks for as little as $150...." If the shopkeeper is charging as little as that for them and has racks of them...
Leads me to think that the Communist Chinese are supplying guns, and who knows what else.
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posted on
09/02/2003 4:44:01 PM PDT
by
cavtrooper21
(The only thing criminals will get from me is a .45 bullet or cold steel... Their choice.)
To: cavtrooper21
That was L150 english pounds but don't know what the exchange rate is.
They don't have the AWB to drive prices up over there.
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posted on
09/02/2003 4:47:31 PM PDT
by
tet68
To: blam
Chinese weapons kill US troops...
Hope the Chicoms made a nice profit
and those here at home who take money from them
toss and turn at night
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posted on
09/02/2003 4:48:31 PM PDT
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: blam
Yawn...those "Chinese" AK's are most likely Pakistani made junk with fake factory markings. I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for a Paki flak jacket either. This dude just sells his crappy wares to whomever has cash and mugs the party line to whichever warlord happens to be the local power.
To: tet68
Yea, saw that when I posted, guess they ain't so cheap.
AWB..... LOL!!!
Like to see Sarah Brady and the "Brady Bunch" try to push that across on any of those mountian tribes.
It would be over very quickly....
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posted on
09/02/2003 4:52:32 PM PDT
by
cavtrooper21
(The only thing criminals will get from me is a .45 bullet or cold steel... Their choice.)
To: blam
Well, THERE'S a suprise. While it's neither PC nor diplomatic, I PERSONALLY estimate the United States will be forced to kill off half the population of Pakistan because fundamentalism is that entrenched...with the blessing of the Pakistani government until recently.
Musharraf's government is a lot like the Saudi government. There are good and bad, those tho know but say nothing and those who genuinely have no idea of what bloodthirsty cretins in charge are giving a free pass to terrorists and anyone from anywhere wanting to train to be one.
Yes, parts of the Paki government are lying to us. What some (like the government of India for instance) refuse to understand, is that OTHER parts are SO bound and determined their progressive ideas ARE beginning to work that they refuse to take into account any info which contraticts that. It's called willful blindness, and though done for the best of reasons, is still analygous to the behaviour of German townspeople near the prison camps.
Still at this point, it looks like US and Indian troops are just going to have to pick them off. Nice kill for Indoa. BTW. I got the details late.
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posted on
09/02/2003 5:04:55 PM PDT
by
cake_crumb
(UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
To: *southasia_list; *taliban_list
To: cavtrooper21; RussianConservative; swarthyguy; Qaz_W
Leads me to think that the Communist Chinese are supplying guns, and who knows what else.
Ahh, yes, my friend, your thoughts are correct, remember that the chicoms are the factory of the world supplying these weapons to their proxies who attack their foes, so you have chicomguns in KAshm, Afgh, Chechn, etc. etc.
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posted on
09/03/2003 1:01:18 AM PDT
by
Cronos
('slam and sanity don't mix, ask your Imam.....)
To: cavtrooper21; joesnuffy
One from the archives....
China's Role in Osama bin Laden's 'Holy War' on America
by Steve Mosher
On the day that the twin towers fell and the Pentagon burned, September 11, 2001, President Bush went before the nation to denounce these cowardly attacks. He vowed to "hunt down" those responsible for this "act of war," and issued this warning to those who might be tempted to give them aid: The United States would deal with those nations that harbor and give succor to terrorists exactly as we deal with the terrorists themselves.
This principle is facing its first test in Afghanistan, where the Taliban regime has been for years enthusiastically aiding and abetting Osama bin Laden's "holy war" against the United States. Sharing Osama bin Laden's irrational hatred of the U.S., they cheered the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, which left six dead and 1,000 injured. Eager to provide continuing support for bin Laden, they allowed him to headquarter his al Qaeda terrorist organization in their capital, Kabul,
This support made possible the string of terrorist bombings that followed: the 1995 bombing that killed five American servicemen in Saudi Arabia; the 1996 bombing of an apartment complex in Saudi Arabia where American servicemen were living, which killed 19 and injured 400; the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa, which killed 224 people, including 12 U.S. citizens; and last year's attack on the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen, in which 17 American servicemen died.
The Taliban, of course, have instituted a kind of radical Islamic terrorism within the borders of their own country, so it is not surprising that they would have no compunctions about supporting international terrorism of the same variety. This means that Osama bin Laden is, in effect, the Taliban's Minister for International Terrorism, while his terrorist group, al Qaeda, functions as the international arm of terror for the rogue government which harbors it.
Even last week's murder of thousands of innocents has not dimmed their common fervor to impose radical Islamicism. Rather than turn over Osama bin Laden and his men, the Taliban leadership are said to have retreated with them to mountain caves in anticipation of a U.S. assault. It has called for volunteers to fight a "holy war" against the U.S. if we move against Osama bin Laden.
Aside from neighboring Pakistan, and a few radical Islamic regimes like Iraq, the Taliban has few sources of international support. Evidence is now emerging, however, which suggests that China has been providing assistance as well. So the question arises: Has China, by supporting the Taliban, aided Osama bin Laden's "holy war" on the U.S.?
China has formally condemned the attacks, to be sure. On the evening of September 11, 2001, following the terrorist attack on the U.S., the President of the People's Republic of China, Jiang Zemin, sent a brief message of sympathy to the United States. It claimed that "The Chinese government has always condemned and opposed all terrorist acts of violence."
Yet actions speak louder than words. One sign of China's growing closeness to the Taliban came last December. The UN Security Council voted 13-0 to place an embargo on arms sales to the Taliban until they closed bin Laden's terrorist training camps in their country, and extradited him to stand trial abroad. Beijing, however, abstained. ("UN to tighten Afghan Sanctions," Los Angeles Times, 20 Dec. 2000.)
In the months since, Beijing has continued to hold secret negotiations with the Taliban. One result of these negotiations has been a recently signed contract between China's Huawei Technologies Co. and the Taliban which calls for Huawei to build an extensive military communications system throughout Afghanistan. ("The Taliban's supply cut off," Vremya Novostei, 21 Dec. 2000/Agency WPS/Defense and Security, 25 Dec. 2000; "China trades with Taliban," Intelligence, 15 March 2001.)
And while most members of the international community have spoken out against al Qaeda's terrorist training schools, China has remained curiously silent, despite its known concern about Islamic terrorism in its own Western provinces. Has some sort of private accommodation between Beijing and the Taliban been reached?
China's arms trade with other rogue governments in the Middle East-Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya-has a long history. Since the 1980s, Beijing has shipped large quantities of conventional arms, as well as technologies and hardware which can be used for the production of nuclear and chemical weapons, and ballistic missiles, to the Middle East. China's goal is to increase its clout in the Middle East, while diminishing that of the U.S. ("China's Arm Sales: Motivations and Implications," Project Air Force, www.rand.org/paf/highlights/china.html.)
China claims to desire peace in the Middle East, yet its actions-and arms sales-have been described as threatening to American soldiers, to the Arab-Israeli peace process and to Persian Gulf stability. China seems to invariably work at cross-purposes to the U.S. in the region, forcing Washington to devote an extraordinary amount of time to curbing China's penchant of attempting to arm rogue nations with the ability to strike out with weapons of mass destruction.
About a year and a half ago, The Jerusalem Post pointed out that the American government's bilateral relations with China largely "has revolved around efforts to prevent the sale of parts, arms, and technology to Middle Eastern states... and reflects the American position on terrorism originating from the Middle East. Thus," The Post ominously forecast, "Osama bin Laden's very independence from state sponsorship is considered all the more threatening because of the possibility he might use WMD [weapons of mass destruction] against, or even within, the U.S." ("The Region: Mother of all threats," The Jerusalem Post, 18 April 2000.)
But with the Taliban's support for al Qaeda-and China's support for the Taliban-just how much "independence from state sponsorship" does Beijing expect the U.S. to believe that bin Laden's truly has?
We tend think of the China threat in conventional terms of missiles, tanks and planes armed and aimed against ourselves and our allies. Into this category falls the report, received two weeks before the attack on the World Trade Center, that Beijing had employed additional missiles aimed at democratic Taiwan. And just last week, a U.S. spy satellite captured photos of road-mobile long-range DF-31 ICBMs being shipped by train from a Chinese manufacturing plant. It is expected that China will field these ICBMs, which have a range capable of reaching the Western United States, within the year. ("China ready to deploy its first mobile ICBMs," The Washington Times, 6 Sept. 2001).
But Islamic terrorism, armed and quietly encouraged by Beijing, represents another very potent kind of China threat.
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posted on
09/03/2003 8:17:25 AM PDT
by
atc
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