Posted on 09/01/2003 4:05:03 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn
This shows an extreme respect for free will and for the very sort of individual choice that is banned by Democrats and Republicans alike as they attempt to enforce their will upon the people through the power of government.
Excellent points.
Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
Yep, classic Libertarianism - Rebellion at its core. "Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" - 1 Samuel 15:23
Vox Day may be a Libertarian, but he is certainly not a Christian.
Which, of course, explains why it is attractive to Atheists, dopers, sexual deviants and the profoundly selfish (think Ayn Rand). I am sure that the Christian finds fellowship with Selfish God hating sodomites stoned on crack-cocaine.
In fact, it is the only political philosophy that is truly in accordance with Christianity.
Really, and what political party did Jesus Christ and the disciples align themselves with? Actually, the only politcal party that God wanted for Israel was an autocratic theocracy with our example being the economy of Moses and circuit judges. Later, because of the stubborness of the people, God gave Israel a King complete with a list of things to watch out for:
1 Sam 8:9-18 Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarn them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them." So Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who asked him for a king. And he said, "This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots and to be his horsemen, and some will run before his chariots. "He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. "He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. "And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. "He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. "And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put them to his work. "He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. "And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the LORD will not hear you in that day."
Not so much different from today's political system.
The Christian religion posits an all-powerful God who nevertheless permits humanity to turn its back on Him. This shows an extreme respect for free will...
God doesn't respect "free-will" because there is no such thing as "free-will". The natural man's will is bound to sin and evil. Vox is also showing his ignorance of Christianity because his argument is refuted in Romans 1.
Vox is yet another student of the American Religion - the dominant apostate false religion that makes it part of their primary teachings to blaspheme Christ.
Who said we were?
It sounds simple but so long as you don't lose sight of the operative word "Initiation", the philosophies of Christianity and Libertarianism are quite similar.
Libertarians are free to respond to force in their own chosen manner, Christian Libertarians might choose to turn the other cheek. Other Libertarians might choose another path. This does not make either approach more or less Libertarian.
I am a god fearing Christian libertarian not doing crack or alcohol nor a sodomite. You have just called me personally some of the foulest things I've ever heard. Normally when people name call like that, they get banned, but not when they are loutish conservatives.
LOL! I love it! The Libertarian who is an advocate of censorship and banning of speech! Great parody, and thanks for the laugh!
Oh I forgot to include God and prayer banning, pro-abortion, pro-illegal alien and free traitorism as part of the assault on Christian and American values that Libertarians gleefully engage in. Do you also identify yourself with the créche-burning, baby-killing, ten commandment breaking, pro illegal alien, pro-outsourcing, pro American job destroying, evolutionary social desconstructionalists too?
I saw no indication FastCoyote was advocating censorship, rather than making an observation on the behaviour the TaliBornAgain seem to get away with on FR.
Is there any way to believe in government at all without believing this?
So the bottom line in any comparability between Libertarianism and Christianity is that "Libertarianism and Christianity oppose initiation of force against anyone."
Someone better call radio talk show host Neal Boortz, because he is throughally committed to the idea that Christianity, if allowed to blossom in this country, would force everyone to adopt Christian ideals. Judging by the plethora of God hating, Christian bashing Libertarians in the Free Republic alone, who continually express the same unfounded fears, I am seriously wondering if Libertarians are even capable of gathering together to come up with a specific, non contradictory creed. One thing is clear about Libertarianism - they are a universally rebellious people.
Rebellion and Christianity are like oil and water.
So you missed the word "banned". Of course. See No evil, Hear No Evil...
When I see the letters L-I-B-E-R... I know that I am dealing with someone who probably has a social disease but most certainly has a moral and mental disease.
First of all, the "Taliban" characterization. This must be the updated version of Godwin's Law for the Taliban and Christianity have nothing in common, so you must be wanting to sling around the Nazi thing, but settled on this more politically correct and empty headed euphemism.
Second. Libertarianism is rebellion. The philosophy is anti-Christ;, it is basically immoral; it celebrates every form of vice from prostitution, to pornography, to drug abuse, to sodomy; it hates authority and is a kissing fornicating cousin to anarchy.
I know that you folks want to hide the fact that Libertarianism is engaged in an outright jihad against the American culture, wishing to replace it with third world chaos. But when someone like me shines the light of truth on your seditionist intents, you folks do like your bretheren in the Liberal Left and start talking about banning speech. Your cultural deconstructionalism and fast track approach to the formation of a totally depraved fragmented society is just as obvious as the Left's Socialism.
The selfishness and total elimination of a social and moral conscience is apparent, that I lay odds that if I were to get a few Libertarians in a room together and talk about the legal necessity of auto insurance you folks would in short order get into a fist-fight. Some would claim that the insurance mandate is a government/business racket, imposing a costly system of control upon a free people - a few would point out that Thomas Jefferson and all of the other Founding Diests never imposed an insurance system on horses and buggies and thus a freedom loving people shouldn't have it either. Then another group would say that not having insurance imposes a fraud on the rest and that through a Libertarian endorsed system of Prior Restraint, and a legal precedence for "Presumption of Guilt" everyone should be required by the police powers of the State to have compulsory auto insurance. Of course, there would be even more goof-ball rhetoric as each person was trying to rationalize his or her own personal wants and needs and how to impose his or her beliefs on everyone else.
That's why I love you people. Just like a mother can love her toddler composing a symphony in the kitchen by banging pots and pans.
I didn't call for censorship, just hoping I will be allowed to call you the same foul mouthed things you call me - with impunity. Trust me, I can point out just as many unsavory things about your position as you've tried to do to me.
Oh I forgot to include God and prayer banning,
Let's see, the Ten Commandments were just removed not by Libertarians but by a Democrat federal judge under a Republican president. Libertarians don't have a real problem with school prayer as long as it isn't coerced. I guess this was an example of you lying.
pro-abortion,
I guess that would be like upstanding Republicans Rudi Giulanni and Arnold Schwarzenegger. But I am actually anti-abortion, and certainly no Libertarian would government fund Planned Parenthood and the UNs abortions planning, so once again you are a distorting facts.
pro-illegal alien
a lot of Republicans hire illegals, and President Bush is soft on the problem, so speak for your self. Not all Libertarians believe in unrestricted immigration and they certainly don't buy illegal votes like the Democrats
free traitorism as part of the assault on Christian and American values that Libertarians gleefully engage in. Do you also identify yourself with the créche-burning, baby-killing, ten commandment breaking, pro illegal alien, pro-outsourcing, pro American job destroying, evolutionary social desconstructionalists too?
I don't have time to pick apart the rest of your wild rant, but readers should be aware that on another thread the Dr. believes dinosaurs existed within the last ten thousand years. So, I think everyone can judge who has their panties in a bunch.
Nope. but I saw FastCoyote's words:
Normally when people name call like that, they get banned, but not when they are loutish conservatives.
as an observation, not a recommendation.
Libertarianism is rebellion.
and Islam is submission. (if you want to know the association my mind came up with.)
Is this true, Warmoose? Are you one of them 4004 B.C. types?
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