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To: veronica
Despite my reservations about Posner, the story has the ring of truth to me.

I arrived at essentially the same conclusions based on what was already known, and what he says simply fits in with what is previously known.

The Saudis have been funding insurgencies all across Asia and the Balkans, everywhere there is an opportunity, but most especially in Central Asia, Indonesia, India, the Philippines. All of these insurgencies were Saudi funded, all of them occurred in parallel with heavy Wahab missionary activity also Saudi funded, and all of them linked up and received training at Bin Ladin's training camps. If all of the Saudi backed insurgencies are trained by Bin Ladin, it is reasonable to call him a Saudi agent.

Once you see him as a Saudi agent, it becomes much easier to understand why we didn't insist on his arrest in the nineties. We took a few half-hearted slaps at him in order to redirect his attacks away from us, while defending his operations in Chechnya, and assisting Saudi goals in the Balkans. Other Saudi wars which we could not support, the wars in the Philippines or India for example, we simply turned a blind eye.

It was not until the early days of the Bush administration that we began to shift our support away from the Chechens as Bush redefined our relationship with Russia, and implicitly, with the Saudis. Post 9/11 we actively began to hunt down and attack all of these Saudi operations, fighting them directly in Yemen and the Philippines, training and assisting local forces to go and get them all across the 'Stans, attacking and destroying the Taliban, and so on. If you understand that these operations were Saudi operations, then our attacks on them were in effect a declaration of war on Saudi Arabia, but of a very special kind, in which we kill their killers while continuing to swear our undying friendship with the Princes who gave the orders.

Posner's book was not written in a vacuum, this is I don't doubt written with government sponsorship to begin the final shift in public attitudes toward the Saudis. We have been ramping up the pressure on the Sauds, and they have responded by employing PR firms to spread the word that they are in this with us, that they are just as much victims as are we. Meanwhile, the funding and the Wahab rabble-rousing continues unabated. It will not stop until the Sauds are convinced that they are themselves personally in danger of extinction at our hands, and for some who believe their own sermons it will not stop even then. We will not be finished until we have cleaned out the snakepit in Riyadh.
10 posted on 08/31/2003 2:15:57 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
We will not be finished until we have cleaned out the snakepit in Riyadh.

Agreed, however this has been know BUT not professed for some time now.

11 posted on 08/31/2003 2:25:33 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: marron
I find the deaths most indicative of the seriousness of the charges posed by this author. It seems that death is the final cover-up for the most heinouse actions and targeted investigations. Ala Jim McDougal ( Whitewater ) and Vince Foster ( WACO ), McVey (shutting down the tremendous material support of foreign terrorist activity involved in the Okla bombing) and on and on. And according to Posner, here the principle Saudi and Pakistani Laden/Saudi links have perished.

Most interesting.

12 posted on 08/31/2003 2:30:14 PM PDT by Republic
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To: marron
#10: Superb analysis.
23 posted on 09/01/2003 12:02:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: marron
I agree..

The war on terrorism will not be concluded until the Saudis have paid a huge blood price...

I am convinced that the Saudis, Wahhabi clerics and their militant allies have been attempting to torch the world in an effort to regain "Arab dominance".

Semper Fi
24 posted on 09/01/2003 12:44:42 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: marron
Saudi Arabia has been the new "Soviet Union" when you talk about funding terrorists.

The Saudi royal family is headed for the same fate as the Russian royal family.

The sooner the better!!

25 posted on 09/01/2003 6:43:48 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: marron; Destro; Fusion
Hey Destro and Fusion,

I though you might be interested in Marron's analysis in Post #10

26 posted on 09/01/2003 6:52:55 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: marron
Posner's book was not written in a vacuum, this is I don't doubt written with government sponsorship to begin the final shift in public attitudes toward the Saudis.

I certainly hope so.

While the Saudis helped us bring down the Soviet Union by opening their oil spigots thereby precipitously dropping the price of crude oil and, along with Reagan's concurrent military buildup and SDI, helped bankrupt the Soviets, it was in their best interests to do so then in concert with us.

Now, it is in their best interests to continue their assaults on the most powerful class of Infidels - us and the rest of Western, "Christian" civilization! It is not so much an economic thing as it is religious motivation.

Saudi Arabia is one of the very few nations in the world with almost no non-Islamics (Afghanistan is another) plus they are the keepers of the most Holy Sites. Therefore, they are at the center of gravity of the "House Of Islam" - the area where Islam reigns supreme with no opposition or compromise. Consequently, as the center of Islamic Power, they are on a jihad against the Infidel, carrying out the commands of the Prophet Mohammad and his followers, conquering the world for Allah! They can't assault us directly, but are using bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and all their money and influence to bring about our eventual economic, military and social collapse much like the Soviet Union.

After our economic collapse, the Islamic movement comes in for the final kill via forced conversion just as they have in every other country they have conquered for 14 centuries, spreading the House of Islam to the entire world forever!

Bloody? Most assuredly! But, as Islam has proven time and time again, the body counts of Infidels don't matter much so they will pile them as high as need be. The "important" thing is, the world is won for Allah!

30 posted on 09/01/2003 11:34:54 AM PDT by Gritty
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