[milestogo]

bump.

[swarthyguy]

Yes, but were these sheikhs and the Pakistani general killed to stop the trail from going to higherups?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/973524/posts

[veronica]

FYI.

[July 4th]

If the stuff in the book is true, there is a diplomatic $hitstorm going on right now that we know nothing about.

[MHGinTN]

The Administration, he writes, "privately believes that the Supreme Court has implicitly approved using such drugs in matters where public safety is at risk," citing a 1963 opinion.

The SCOTUS doesn't rule this nation. If they don't approve, (in the words of the father in Legends of the Fall ...) "Screw 'um" ... saving American lives can take extra-ordinary means with non-citizens, IMHO.

[marron]

I don't trust Posner, see what you think. This is what we've been saying... its weird, though, to see it laid out in black and white.

[Gritty]

Interesting.

It seems our "friends" the Saudis and Pakistanis are up their necks in blood,... ours!

[marron]

Despite my reservations about Posner, the story has the ring of truth to me.

I arrived at essentially the same conclusions based on what was already known, and what he says simply fits in with what is previously known.

The Saudis have been funding insurgencies all across Asia and the Balkans, everywhere there is an opportunity, but most especially in Central Asia, Indonesia, India, the Philippines. All of these insurgencies were Saudi funded, all of them occurred in parallel with heavy Wahab missionary activity also Saudi funded, and all of them linked up and received training at Bin Ladin's training camps. If all of the Saudi backed insurgencies are trained by Bin Ladin, it is reasonable to call him a Saudi agent.

Once you see him as a Saudi agent, it becomes much easier to understand why we didn't insist on his arrest in the nineties. We took a few half-hearted slaps at him in order to redirect his attacks away from us, while defending his operations in Chechnya, and assisting Saudi goals in the Balkans. Other Saudi wars which we could not support, the wars in the Philippines or India for example, we simply turned a blind eye.

It was not until the early days of the Bush administration that we began to shift our support away from the Chechens as Bush redefined our relationship with Russia, and implicitly, with the Saudis. Post 9/11 we actively began to hunt down and attack all of these Saudi operations, fighting them directly in Yemen and the Philippines, training and assisting local forces to go and get them all across the 'Stans, attacking and destroying the Taliban, and so on. If you understand that these operations were Saudi operations, then our attacks on them were in effect a declaration of war on Saudi Arabia, but of a very special kind, in which we kill their killers while continuing to swear our undying friendship with the Princes who gave the orders.

Posner's book was not written in a vacuum, this is I don't doubt written with government sponsorship to begin the final shift in public attitudes toward the Saudis. We have been ramping up the pressure on the Sauds, and they have responded by employing PR firms to spread the word that they are in this with us, that they are just as much victims as are we. Meanwhile, the funding and the Wahab rabble-rousing continues unabated. It will not stop until the Sauds are convinced that they are themselves personally in danger of extinction at our hands, and for some who believe their own sermons it will not stop even then. We will not be finished until we have cleaned out the snakepit in Riyadh.

[SauronOfMordor]

The week before 9/11, there was a huge amount of stock option activity (thread) in certain companies that were to have been affected by 9/11.

After October, the story went into the memory hole

It is my belief that the money trail lead to people who, for political reasons, could not be touched

[ellery]

btttt

[RaceBannon]

must read bump

[RaceBannon]

must read bump

[CyberAnt]

While the dems will try to blame the Bush admin - I can see where the choice of not causing an international incident at the time was perhaps prudent. And .. in the long run - since the attack in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi's have begun to actively participate in the anti-terrorism campaign.

[tet68]

Sodium Pentothal ?

That would only be part of what I would inject them with.
LSD-25 would spice up the mix nicely along with the proper
set and setting. Hehe.

Whoa, the little men in pointy hats and the WALLS.... Wayayayaya!

[anymouse]

And just who told Posner of these covert activities? The guy is writing fiction. And bad fiction at that.

[SauronOfMordor]

Without charging any skulduggery (Posner told TIME they "may in fact be coincidences"), the author notes that these deaths occurred after cia officials passed along Zubaydah's accusations to Riyadh and Islamabad. Washington, reports Posner, was shocked when Zubaydah claimed that "9/11 changed nothing" about the clandestine marriage of terrorism and Saudi and Pakistani interests, "because both Prince Ahmed and Mir knew that an attack was scheduled for American soil on that day."

The week before 9/11, there was a huge amount of short-selling and put-option-buying for the companies that would be most affected by 9/11. (thread Profits of Doom).

There was some discussion in the weeks following 9/11, then the story went "down the memory hole". It is my belief that the trail led to people who, for political reasons, could not be touched

[nutmeg]

ping!

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[DoctorMichael]

Bump.