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FDR's Raw Deal Exposed
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 9.30.03 | Thomas Roeser

Posted on 08/30/2003 11:59:46 AM PDT by Cathryn Crawford

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To: Allan; patton
FDR, in effect, was in charge of a coup'd'etat that ended the US republic.

The US republic ended in 1913 with the passage of the 16th amendment.

Sorry you're both wrong. The Republic died in April 1865. Wilson and FDR both used the imaginary powers vested upon them by the unconstitutional actions of one man. When people start to face up to this fact and admit, then and only then will be able to start the return to a truly Constitutional Republic

41 posted on 08/30/2003 1:11:44 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Must the libertarians always chip away at our nation's history? Must every American icon be torn down?

History is an argument! ;-)
42 posted on 08/30/2003 1:16:43 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: Scenic Sounds
History is an argument! ;-)

Of course it's not! It's facts. Pure and simple.

The analysis of history may be an argument, but not history itself.

43 posted on 08/30/2003 1:18:13 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Caution - I do not post wasteful banter.)
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To: elbucko
You also fail to mention that many of the programs credited to Roosevelt, were actually started during Hoover's administration. The WPA being one of them.

More reasons to discount what this author has to say.

Nobody really knows what caused the Great Depression to be so much worse than previous occurances. Nobody know or knows how to end them once they begin (except by war).

Roosevelt's contribution was as much psychological as anything else. He was a fresh face trying new things. Sometimes that's the best humanity can expect.

44 posted on 08/30/2003 1:20:07 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Of course it's not! It's facts. Pure and simple.

The analysis of history may be an argument, but not history itself.

Why do the libertarians so hate America? ;-)

45 posted on 08/30/2003 1:20:23 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: stop_fascism
The truth is that Roosevelt had spent the entire war selling out the free world to "Uncle Joe".

Yes, I believe that's true, as well as most of the "New Deal Communist's" in FDR's administration. In some ways, the Korean War was a God send. Truman mucked it up so bad the Republicans could take the government away from the Democrats and keep the White House for 8 years.

46 posted on 08/30/2003 1:24:06 PM PDT by elbucko (Calif. Haunted by the ghost of Bob Citron, the Democrat that bankrupted a county.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Why do the libertarians so hate America? ;-)

They don't hate America. They just want to see America become a more pure republic.

47 posted on 08/30/2003 1:24:10 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Wait, I just remembered something! You're boring and my legs work.)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
FDR was the American Dictator.

The sad thing is, we now have a fair amount of "conservatives" who admire FDR and his socialistic policies.

48 posted on 08/30/2003 1:26:31 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Cathryn Crawford
They don't hate America. They just want to see America become a more pure republic.

Sure - just tear down all of our icons! Burn all of our traditions!

Our Founding Fathers weep when they read a column like this one. ;-)

49 posted on 08/30/2003 1:26:36 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: Scenic Sounds
Our Founding Fathers weep when they read a column like this one. ;-)

Well, that's an overreaction.

50 posted on 08/30/2003 1:27:48 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Wait, I just remembered something! You're boring and my legs work.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I'm no fan of FDR's domestic policies, but i have to respond to your comments about Pearl Harbor.

In November and early December of 1941 it was well known that Japan was gearing up for war with one or more of the western powers.

The US, British, Austrialians and Dutch had moved or were moving to a war footing in SE Asia and the Dutch East Indies.

War was already coming whether we liked it or not. Japan could not leave a fortified Phillipines on their flank when they hit Malaya and the Dutch East Indies and The US would be at war the moment the first bomb hit the Phillipines.

FDR did not need the Pearl Harbor attack to bring the US into the war. War was a done deal courtesy General Tojo and the Imperial cabinet.

Also, Appeasement was popular in the UK until mid 1939 when Germany occupied the leftover rump of Czechoslovakia. After that Chamberlain would take Britian to war when Hitler made his next move. Which he did in September 1939.

51 posted on 08/30/2003 1:31:19 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Mind like a steel trap... Rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Well, that's an overreaction.

Godless libertarianism! ;-)

52 posted on 08/30/2003 1:31:37 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: Scenic Sounds
Godless libertarianism! ;-)

More overreactions...you're on a roll here...;-)

53 posted on 08/30/2003 1:32:15 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Wait, I just remembered something! You're boring and my legs work.)
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To: ninenot
That characterises most of the pronouncements of the Cato groupies.
54 posted on 08/30/2003 1:32:52 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Give death the finger. Try new things, live, enjoy simple pleasures.)
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To: marron
This is the kind of distorted vomit that discredits anything legitimate you might have to say

- Roosevelt did his damndest to get us to prepare for war. It was conservative Republican isolationists who thwarted all his efforts.

- Nobody anywhere in the world was successful at ending the Great Depression. Even now - 70 years later - people are still arguing about it and what was the proper course of action.

- Roosevelt sent Jews back to Europe because that's what most of the public wanted - most prominent among them the same Conservative isolationists. Interestingly Jews in Stalin's Russia did much better than in most of Europe.

- Roosevelt rounded up the Japanese for one of three reasons; Either because they constituted a legitimate threat during wartime, because war-time prejudice endangered them, or because local California agricultural interests wanted their land. Take your choice.

There's some question in my mind how to properly judge Roosevelt as a President but no doubt at all that you're a disgusting human being.

55 posted on 08/30/2003 1:33:11 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Cathryn Crawford
The New Deal built the New World Order




http://gopusa.com/sartre/sartre_0825.shtml
56 posted on 08/30/2003 1:34:12 PM PDT by Patriotways
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BTTT
57 posted on 08/30/2003 1:35:48 PM PDT by StriperSniper (The Federal Register is printed on pulp from The Tree Of Liberty)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
FDR's the worst president in the 20th century. Worse than Klintler.
58 posted on 08/30/2003 1:36:15 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Boom Boom! Out go the lights!" - Pat Travers)
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To: jmc813
Truman and the United Nations


http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/un/large
59 posted on 08/30/2003 1:37:52 PM PDT by Patriotways
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Of course FDR never cured the great depression. His policies were fiscally irresponsbible, and tended also to dampen down the normal incentives of a free economy. These policies succeeded in introducing monetary uncertainty and reduced the rewards for honest effort. Could anyone suggest a worse formula for putting people back to work?

The New Deal reflected the socialist theorists who descended upon Washington with the new Administration. It was doomed to failure for all of the reasons why Socialism always fails, everywhere. The sad thing is that Roosevelt actually ran on a platform clearly to the right of Hoover. The Platform was economically and Constitutionally sound. Roosevelt betrayed it, and should be condemned to infamy. The romance of his failed Statist policies with Academia arises not in anything Roosevelt accomplished, but in the increasingly socialist mindset in our Colleges and Universities.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

60 posted on 08/30/2003 1:38:31 PM PDT by Ohioan
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