Gay couple protests after Catholic school denies daughter's entry

The Olympian ^ | 8/30/03 | AP

[Conservative til I die]

You're the only one stuffing words into other peoples' mouths so that you can make your arguments.

[GrandMoM]

come on Jorge, your not that dense!

.... after all the threads you have posted to on the gay agenda, you don't know the anwsers???????

.... it's quite clear here, this is a set up to get their foot in the door. Once they get this poor little (innocent girl) in, they will push for all their other sick demands.

[Jorge]

That's nice. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Always a delight talking to you Polycarp.
Have a magical day.

[Jorge]

.... it's quite clear here, this is a set up to get their foot in the door. Once they get this poor little (innocent girl) in, they will push for all their other sick demands.

I don't see what demands they could make.
They knew the moral standards of the Catholic Church when they put their daughter in the school.
I think if they tried to use this to make demands on the Catholic school, it would only back-fire on them and set the gay agenda way back.
It would be a really stupid tactic IMHO.

[ChemistCat]

When they relocate to Oklahoma and apply for admission, I'm confident they'll get a happier result. I'm certain of it.

Luther had the right of it.

[ChemistCat]

And by the way, you can't shut me up! Hahaha.

Jim Robinson can, but you're not he.

[GirlShortstop]

At post 59:   this is a set-up, a foot-in-the-door issue or a "launching pad", pursued by immoral activists in which Anti-Catholic rhetoric will certainly follow and Catholicism will be attacked.

Yikes, then I read this morning...

A 15-year-old student at Mercy Catholic High School in Burlingame, Marina Gatto, daughter of a lesbian couple, trumpeted her pride in participating in the parade as a grand marshal.  Gay Pride Parade Features Catholic Parish/Priest

[OpusatFR]

"Should the Catholic schools also ban the children of divorced parents, since divorce is also prohibited according to Church teachings?"

From the Cathecism:

"1651 Toward Christians who live in this situation, and who often keep the faith and desire to bring up their children in a Christian manner, priests and the whole community must manifest an attentive solicitude, so that they do not consider themselves separated from the Church, in whose life they can and must participate as baptized persons:


They should be encouraged to listen to the Word of God, to attend the Sacrifice of the Mass, to persevere in prayer, to contribute to works of charity and to community efforts for justice, to bring up their children in the Christian faith, to cultivate the spirit and practice of penance and thus implore, day by day, God's grace.161"

You completely miss ~to cultivate the spirit and practice of penance and thus implore, day by day, God's grace.161"~

I can only think this is willfull on your part.

The child's mother must, if she is to in her own words which I don't believe are in the article posted, regain her faith and practice it, renounce sin and the position of the Church has not changed.

If you have attended Catholic school, you will find that the blatant sin is not paraded willfully. Charity and Justice also deal with discernment.

[OpusatFR]

"I am non-demonational and have attended all kind of churches including Pentecostal, Baptist and Catholic.

I don't agree with some things taught by certain churches including some Catholic teachings.
Does that make me anti-Catholic?"

Why don't you take your curiosity and actually study what Catholicism teaches. You cannot be kind and practice Charity without practicing justice. You cannot live and practice a cafeteria of theological beliefs and personal convictions with a wash of cultural nuances thrown in and believe you understand the position of the Catholic church. The Church's stand is Scriptural. It is not cultural and it isn't a personal view. It is highly unpopular because it will not change. Homosexual sex, Cloning, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, contraception, stem-cell research from a fetus will never be approved. In the face of all of it, and in the face of some laity and priestly disobedience, the Church will not change.

Tolerance is not the benchmark. The Crucifix is tolerence and forgiveness for every insult in the history of humanity. That tolerance does not extend to continued sin. How can anyone continue to sin and live in sin knowing that this sin they personally commit is in God's Eternal Now ripping the beard off Christ's face, scourging His back to shreds and nailing His hands to that cross?

[saradippity]

Good find and exhibits what we all are concerned about. Your posts are likewise reflective of the situation at hand!! I enjoy them.

[tuesday afternoon]

Can practicing homosexuals take the sacraments? (Excuse the ignorance of this question. I assumed the answer is no and wondered how the mother explains that to the daughter).

[OpusatFR]

You are right. A practicing homosexual, one having active sexual relations cannot receive The Eucharist.

Now, understand that adulterers, those in mortal sin, and others do on occasion receive it, and that is a grave sin. A person with homosexual inclination who lives a chaste life is, of course, able to receive since they live in accordance with Scripture.

How would the Church know she is sexually active with her live-in lover? She is quite vocal about her activities as posted in her website. She seems quite the activist.

The bottom line is this: receiving Communion is a serious matter. Catholics know that this Consecrated Host is the Presence, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. The prayer after Communion is, ".......I pray that this holy Communion be not a condemnation to punishment for me, but a saving plea to forgiveness....."

The relationship of Christ to Sinner is in this prayer..repentence and a call for forgiveness.

It ends, "....I pray too that You will deign to bring me a sinner to that ineffable banquet, where You with Your Son and the Holy Spirit, are to Your Saints true light, fulfillment of desires, eternal joy, unalloyed gladness and perfect bliss. Through the same Christ our Lord..."

It would take someone so consumed with pride and selfwill to be in a state of mortal sin and not shudder at the offense to heaven.

Gosh, I can get long winded ( ;

[Sloth]

Better to admit her, then teach her why her 'mommies' are hell-bound.

[Jorge]

Why don't you take your curiosity and actually study what Catholicism teaches. You cannot be kind and practice Charity without practicing justice.

Nonsense.
Charity reconciles mercy with justice.

The idea that any Christian or Catholic who is justified through the mercy of Christ could demand a higher standard of others is hypocrisy.

[Jorge]

You cannot live and practice a cafeteria of theological beliefs and personal convictions with a wash of cultural nuances thrown in and believe you understand the position of the Catholic church. The Church's stand is Scriptural.

Who said it wasn't?

And what is the "cafeteria of theological beliefs and personal convictions with a wash of cultural nuances" you are suggesting I "live and practive"?

You know nothing about my personal life and beliefs except what I have posted.

Why can't you address anything I've posted directly and relate that to church teaching and show me how it applies to this debate?

So far you haven't managed to show us anything the Catholic Church believes and how it conflicts with any of my arguments.

[Jorge]

How would the Church know she is sexually active with her live-in lover? She is quite vocal about her activities as posted in her website. She seems quite the activist.

And what does the mother's desire that her daughter receive a Catholic education equate the mother asking to receive the Eucharist?

Please explain to us, your Holiness, where admitting a child to a Catholic school requires the worthiness of their parents to receive the sacraments of communion.

[Jorge]

The Crucifix is tolerence and forgiveness for every insult in the history of humanity. That tolerance does not extend to continued sin.

First of all; Tolerance has nothing to do with the forgiveness of sin.

The propitiation for the sins of mankind Christ PAID in FULL. God accepts that payment on behalf of all those who believe in Christ. There is no "tolerance" of sin involved.

Secondly; Your claim that Christ's mercy "does not extend to continued sin" is absolutely unscriptural.

It suggests that Christians must become sinless from the moment they profess faith in Christ until the day they die, or Christ will take back his salvation and they will go to Hell.

How awful. And how totally unscriptural.

The New Testament is full of admonitions directed to the Church regarding sin...making it clear that Christians can and do commit sins.

[OpusatFR]

You completely miss the idea of repentence.

And the very nasty crack about ~Your Holiness~ was uncalled for by you when I have not insulted you, nor would I. You can argue with the others. I have no need to stay exposed to your insults.

I am a worm in this universe. And for me, the universe was made. As it was for this woman and her child, and everyone else.

[OpusatFR]

And that is the crux of the argument. You are not as concerned with the child as you are with the disavowal of the mother's continued sexual relationship and the theology that states it is unacceptable.

I see now that you are a pro-homosexual apologist despite what you write.

There can be no discussion then since you are promoting something that can never be reconciled. A lesbian couple attending school functions is much different than a bar fly fornicating on weekends and showing up at a parent/teacher conference. One deals with individual sin. The other seeks to change society into what they view as good.

[OpusatFR]

"The idea that any Christian or Catholic who is justified through the mercy of Christ could demand a higher standard of others is hypocrisy."


I never stated that one would demand a higher standard of others. That is absolute nonsense. You are back to the idea of tolerance and acceptance for the sake of tolerance and acceptance. I haven't seen tolerance on the virtues, yet.

"So far you haven't managed to show us anything the Catholic Church believes and how it conflicts with any of my arguments."

You apparently don't read. I've posted the Church's position on divorce which relates directly to one of your posts. It also lends itself to the argument on continued homosexual relations and the aspect of the sacraments and attendance at Mass.

"First of all; Tolerance has nothing to do with the forgiveness of sin.

The propitiation for the sins of mankind Christ PAID in FULL. God accepts that payment on behalf of all those who believe in Christ. There is no "tolerance" of sin involved.

Secondly; Your claim that Christ's mercy "does not extend to continued sin" is absolutely unscriptural.

It suggests that Christians must become sinless from the moment they profess faith in Christ until the day they die, or Christ will take back his salvation and they will go to Hell."

Geez. I can't believe that anyone would be so misguided as to post this. As I've stated before: Repentence and disavowal of sin apparently is not in your Bible. Taking God's mercy for granted is a sin.

I have no idea about Hell. I certainly have never judged anything. Justice is not judgment. It is discernment. Judgment is God's alone.

I really hope that you are not teaching.