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To: Jorge
"The idea that any Christian or Catholic who is justified through the mercy of Christ could demand a higher standard of others is hypocrisy."


I never stated that one would demand a higher standard of others. That is absolute nonsense. You are back to the idea of tolerance and acceptance for the sake of tolerance and acceptance. I haven't seen tolerance on the virtues, yet.

"So far you haven't managed to show us anything the Catholic Church believes and how it conflicts with any of my arguments."

You apparently don't read. I've posted the Church's position on divorce which relates directly to one of your posts. It also lends itself to the argument on continued homosexual relations and the aspect of the sacraments and attendance at Mass.

"First of all; Tolerance has nothing to do with the forgiveness of sin.

The propitiation for the sins of mankind Christ PAID in FULL. God accepts that payment on behalf of all those who believe in Christ. There is no "tolerance" of sin involved.

Secondly; Your claim that Christ's mercy "does not extend to continued sin" is absolutely unscriptural.

It suggests that Christians must become sinless from the moment they profess faith in Christ until the day they die, or Christ will take back his salvation and they will go to Hell."

Geez. I can't believe that anyone would be so misguided as to post this. As I've stated before: Repentence and disavowal of sin apparently is not in your Bible. Taking God's mercy for granted is a sin.

I have no idea about Hell. I certainly have never judged anything. Justice is not judgment. It is discernment. Judgment is God's alone.

I really hope that you are not teaching.

200 posted on 09/04/2003 5:26:55 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
And that, is all I have to communicate to you.

201 posted on 09/04/2003 5:29:01 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
I never stated that one would demand a higher standard of others. That is absolute nonsense.

You're the one who posted;
OpusatFR;"You cannot be kind and practice Charity without practicing justice."

And you did so in opposition to my view that the little girl should not be denied entry into the Catholic school, which can afford to be charitable toward the child.
That the child should not be punished or stigmatized for the sins of her mother.

So what "justice" are you suggesting needs to be practiced in order to be charitable toward this child?
You're not making any sense.

You are back to the idea of tolerance and acceptance for the sake of tolerance and acceptance.

Not true. Nothing I've posted has a thing to do with the Catholic church tolerating and/or accepting sin or compromising their moral convictions on anything.

Once again, it is that the child should not be punished and stigmatized for her mothers sexual life.

206 posted on 09/04/2003 5:57:32 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: OpusatFR
"So far you haven't managed to show us anything the Catholic Church believes and how it conflicts with any of my arguments."

You apparently don't read. I've posted the Church's position on divorce which relates directly to one of your posts. It also lends itself to the argument on continued homosexual relations and the aspect of the sacraments and attendance at Mass.

Nobody is suggesting that openly practicing lesbians should have the right to attend mass and receive the Catholic communion.
And I never disagreed with the Church's position on divorce.

Once again, neither of these things have a thing to do with the issue I was debating.

207 posted on 09/04/2003 6:09:58 PM PDT by Jorge
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