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To: Jorge
"I am non-demonational and have attended all kind of churches including Pentecostal, Baptist and Catholic.

I don't agree with some things taught by certain churches including some Catholic teachings.
Does that make me anti-Catholic?"

Why don't you take your curiosity and actually study what Catholicism teaches. You cannot be kind and practice Charity without practicing justice. You cannot live and practice a cafeteria of theological beliefs and personal convictions with a wash of cultural nuances thrown in and believe you understand the position of the Catholic church. The Church's stand is Scriptural. It is not cultural and it isn't a personal view. It is highly unpopular because it will not change. Homosexual sex, Cloning, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, contraception, stem-cell research from a fetus will never be approved. In the face of all of it, and in the face of some laity and priestly disobedience, the Church will not change.

Tolerance is not the benchmark. The Crucifix is tolerence and forgiveness for every insult in the history of humanity. That tolerance does not extend to continued sin. How can anyone continue to sin and live in sin knowing that this sin they personally commit is in God's Eternal Now ripping the beard off Christ's face, scourging His back to shreds and nailing His hands to that cross?

189 posted on 09/02/2003 7:22:04 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
Why don't you take your curiosity and actually study what Catholicism teaches. You cannot be kind and practice Charity without practicing justice.

Nonsense.
Charity reconciles mercy with justice.

The idea that any Christian or Catholic who is justified through the mercy of Christ could demand a higher standard of others is hypocrisy.

194 posted on 09/03/2003 8:10:20 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: OpusatFR
You cannot live and practice a cafeteria of theological beliefs and personal convictions with a wash of cultural nuances thrown in and believe you understand the position of the Catholic church. The Church's stand is Scriptural.

Who said it wasn't?

And what is the "cafeteria of theological beliefs and personal convictions with a wash of cultural nuances" you are suggesting I "live and practive"?

You know nothing about my personal life and beliefs except what I have posted.

Why can't you address anything I've posted directly and relate that to church teaching and show me how it applies to this debate?

So far you haven't managed to show us anything the Catholic Church believes and how it conflicts with any of my arguments.

195 posted on 09/03/2003 8:21:46 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: OpusatFR
The Crucifix is tolerence and forgiveness for every insult in the history of humanity. That tolerance does not extend to continued sin.

First of all; Tolerance has nothing to do with the forgiveness of sin.

The propitiation for the sins of mankind Christ PAID in FULL. God accepts that payment on behalf of all those who believe in Christ. There is no "tolerance" of sin involved.

Secondly; Your claim that Christ's mercy "does not extend to continued sin" is absolutely unscriptural.

It suggests that Christians must become sinless from the moment they profess faith in Christ until the day they die, or Christ will take back his salvation and they will go to Hell.

How awful. And how totally unscriptural.

The New Testament is full of admonitions directed to the Church regarding sin...making it clear that Christians can and do commit sins.

197 posted on 09/03/2003 8:54:35 PM PDT by Jorge
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