Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Six Out Of Their Bibles!

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon ^ | Aug 29, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

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Those Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Chapter Six Out Of Their Bibles!

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon August 29, 2003 I have listened to minister after minister publicly rebuke Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore saying, as a Christian, he should have obeyed federal judge Myron Thompson's unlawful order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building. Those ministers need to reread Daniel chapter six.

Daniel was a government official in the court of King Darius. In fact, Daniel was the second-in-command answering only to the king. Yet, when Darius issued his command that everyone in the kingdom not pray to God for thirty days, Daniel openly and defiantly disobeyed.

I've heard ministers say Judge Moore was wrong not to take down the monument and wait for his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court to be decided. However, if this logic would have prevailed in the mind and heart of Daniel, the great story of Daniel in the lion's den would not appear in Scripture. After all, Darius' order against prayer was only for thirty days. Using the logic of today's ministers, Daniel should have merely suspended his prayers for thirty days, and everything would have been all right.

Instead, Daniel immediately went home, threw open his windows, and prayed to God as he always had done. He would not postpone his convictions for even thirty days!

Like Judge Roy Moore, Daniel believed that there is a higher authority than the king. Furthermore, he believed that human governments do not have the right to interfere with religious conscience, in or out of the public square.

Also take into account that Daniel lived under a monarchy. Darius' word was the law of the land. However, Americans do not live (yet) under a monarchy. A federal judge is not king; his word is not automatically law. Under our constitutional republic, whenever a federal judge, or any other government official, rules outside his constitutional authority, his ruling must be considered unlawful and irrelevant.

When Daniel disobeyed the law of King Darius, he had only the law of moral conscience behind him. Judge Moore has, not only the law of moral conscience, but the supreme law of the land (the U.S. Constitution) behind him!

Of all people, Christian ministers should flock to Judge Moore's assistance! That they aren't proves they are either ignorant of the lawlessness of this federal judge's actions, or they do not have the courage of their convictions.

One thing is sure: those ministers who condemn Judge Roy Moore's actions should tear the story of Daniel out of their Bibles, and never teach it again. If Daniel was right, Roy Moore is right!

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[Jorge]

As if being told that you are prohibited from freely practicing your religion is a violation of God's grant of freedom.

So now being prohibited from using a Govt building to promote your religion even though that Govt guarantees freedom of religion for ALL....is robbing you of your freedom of religion?
Give me a break.

[natewill]

As if a stone symbol which most people never even heard about is crucial to Christian convictions in people's hearts..and it's being moved will steal this faith from America. How silly.

C'mon. Nobody's arguing that a stone symbol embodies America's faith. The point is that the Ten Commandments say things like, 'Don't murder', and 'Don't steal'. Nobody disagrees with the message of the tablets. They are being removed simply because they are Christian. If it was a Buddhist monk statue, or a statue of Artemis, there would be no conflict. But a Christian statue! We can't have that! Remove it now!

This is a fight for Christianity and the acknowledgement that God has had a part in the history of our nation. And, yes, God is part of our environment: the rivers, the mountains, the seas, the gorgeous sunset that I saw tonight over the Rockies by Colorado Springs...

[natewill]

Therefore, it is GOD who grants the FREEDOM. Not a judge, not the state.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator...

[irishtenor]

There is no law saying that there cannot be a monument to the Ten Commandments, it was a judge's order. That is not law. In fact, according to the Alabama State Constitution he did what was required. He obeyed the law of the state.

[c-b 1]

He'll not be booted from office, imo.

They'll not be able to point to a law that was violated.

I expect him to get railroaded.

The courts seem to not let a little detail like that get in their way.

[irishtenor]

Read it again... Congress is not allowed to make laws about religion. The Supreme Court is not supposed to make laws at all. They are to interpret according to the Constitution.

[Thane_Banquo]

Where does the Alabama State Constitution state that the Chief Justice is required to place the Ten Commandments in the courthouse?

Further, a judge's order is indeed law. It is not legislatively passed law, but it has the full force of the state behind it, which makes it law.

[AndrewC]

The law Judge Moore defied was one dictating that NO ONE has the right to use the Govt to impose their religion on others.

Could you tell me exactly what religion was imposed?

[takenoprisoner]

Typical oath of office for Judge Moore and others:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and truthfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. "

Obiviously in our society, the G-d to whom they swear is allah right?

[xzins]

Ya gotta pick your fights

Wisely and prayerfully.

This is a critical choice by a Chief Justice of a State Supreme Court.

The preamble of the Alabama Constitution says:

We, the people of the State of Alabama, in order to establish justice, .... invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution and form of government for the State of Alabama:

Did you hear that? "In order to have justice...invoking Almighty God DO ORDAIN the Constitution..."

"In order to have justice we,...APPEALING TO THE HIGHEST GOD for FAVOR (INTERVENTION)...do Ordain the Constitution."

EXAMPLE: In order to have justice about this issue we...APPEALING TO PRESIDENT BUSH FOR FAVOR AND GUIDANCE...do WRITE THIS LETTER.

Now, When you write that letter to President Bush, who are you saying is in charge of things?

[irishtenor]

Nope, not law, court order. They are different animals. In other words; a court orders a man to pay his ex $500. If it were law, all men would have to pay their ex $500. As to the Alabama Const. Read the Judge's ruling on it, he said it better than I could. In short, it demands that the courts honor God! Like I said though, read what the Judge wrote about this.

[Thane_Banquo]

Don't misunderstand, I believe the weight of the Constitution is on the side of Moore, but I disagree that he has the right to ignore the ruling of a higher court.

We are a nation of the rule of law. And the rule of law said to move the monument.

Further, as for his own personal convictions, Paul was clear that we must obey the laws of the land unless doing so violates God's law. No where does God command the Christian to place the Ten Commandments in our courthouses.

[MissAmericanPie]

Yes, they do make laws, that is not their function, but they have been making pleanty of laws. They issue dictorial edicts that have the force of law. Not a dimes worth of difference, it's still a law that carries penalties.

[Woahhs]

So when a law says not to place the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, it is not violating God's law to remove them.

What law says that?

[Thane_Banquo]

In short, it demands that the courts honor God!

God demands this. I doubt He needs Judge Moore's help.

Nope, not law, court order.

Court orders make up law because a person is required by law to follow them or face contempt or even obstruction charges.

[irishtenor]

The rule of law (Constitution) also says that the states rule on anything not specificly in the US Constitution. Article Ten, I do believe. This is exactly what he has done.

[irishtenor]

I agree, and we need a stronger Congress to address the situation.

[foghornleghorn]

While it is true that we must follow the rule of law, I believe the issue should always have been one of free speech, not religion. The ten commandments are the basis of much of our civil law, and placing them on a monument in a courthouse seems quite appropriate. It is not promoting or teaching any religion.

[Woahhs]

And, they're marginalizing themselves.

They are as long as "conservatives" like you are content to keep company with the likes of ACLU opportunists.

[irishtenor]

Courts don't make laws, they issue rullings to the law. (At least that is how they are supposed to work).