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Warning – Serious Item! U10 Commandmensts judge Moore is an egomaniacal huckster)
ESPN Page 2 ^ | August 26, 2003 | Gregg Easterbrook

Posted on 08/28/2003 12:12:24 PM PDT by quidnunc

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Judge Roy Moore, the publicity-seeker who put the 2.5-ton Ten Commandments in the Alabama state courthouse, declared Monday that he could disobey the direct order of a federal judge because "judges do not make laws, they interpret them." Since, Moore continued, an interpretation can be wrong, therefore he may defy a judicial order. So presumably Judge Moore also thinks that if he sentences a man to prison, the man can declare that the interpretation might be wrong and walk free? It's exactly the same logic.

Moore further said that the First Amendment precept, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion," does not apply to him because "I am not Congress." Drag this incompetent lunatic out of the court quickly, please. Anyone with entry-level knowledge of Constitutional law knows that the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, was intended to extend the Bill of Rights to state governments; that a 1937 Supreme Court decision specifically declared that the First Amendment binds state officials like Judge Moore.

As a church-going Christian — TMQ was in this church on Sunday — I find it deeply embarrassing when Christianity is associated, in the public eye, with hucksters like Moore. I find it embarrassing, too, when Christians supporting Moore's hunk of stone suggest that a big object in a public square is what matters, rather than the power of God's message itself. Anyone who needs to look at a big object in order to believe, doesn't really believe.

And consider that in the same state, Alabama, where the Judge Moore sideshow is getting nonstop media attention, Republican Gov. Bob Riley is risking his political neck to campaign for tax-law changes that would increase taxes on the well-off while exempting everyone who makes less than $17,000 annually. Gov. Riley phrases the campaign in religious terms, saying, "According to our Christian ethics, we're supposed to love God, love each other and help take care of the poor." How come this pure and admirable Christian sentiment gets no media attention while the egomaniac with the hunk of stone in the same state's courthouse enjoys round-the-clock coverage?

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To: ladtx
Seems to me he would choose some other vehicle that is not of such "hot-button" proportions

Defying an order to remove the Ten Commandments from his courtroom in Gasden (I think) was the stepping stone that got him to the Alabama Supreme Court. Why should he change now?

Moore would never have been elected if it wasn't for the publicity over that incident. There were several more qualified conservative candidates that lost to him in the primary simply because of the publicity.

Moore is indeed a huckster, grandstander and demigog who has no legitimate place on the bench.

61 posted on 08/28/2003 2:30:17 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: dirtboy
I seem to remember something about governments deriving their "just" powers from consent of the governed.
62 posted on 08/28/2003 2:30:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
True - though the fundamental freedoms enshrined in the Bill of Rights do not owe their vitality to the continued approval of the majority.
63 posted on 08/28/2003 2:33:40 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Jim Robinson
I seem to remember something about governments deriving their "just" powers from consent of the governed.

I do also. I remember it being taught to everyone in High School, and that wasn't THAT long ago. Now if you say that, you're some kind of right-wing reactionary freak.

I also recall an amendment - I think it was called the Tenth - that said that any powers not granted by the Constitution to the federal government were left to the states or the people. Last I saw it was on the side of a milk carton.

64 posted on 08/28/2003 2:35:41 PM PDT by dirtboy (Press Alt-Ctrl-Del to reset this tagline)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim Robinson wrote: The people are the final arbiter.

To which "the people" are you referring — CAIR and the other Muslim advocacy groups, the Klan, Noan Chomsky and his chomskyites, The ACLU red devils, the members of the Ruckus Society and their fellow anarchists/nihilists, ELF and the other eco-terrorists, NOW, NARAL, the Dykes on Bikes… who?

65 posted on 08/28/2003 2:36:19 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: lugsoul
True, but the bill or rights (and all other rights) will no longer exist if the people do not defend them. Judge Moore is defending our rights.
66 posted on 08/28/2003 2:36:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: lugsoul
True - though the fundamental freedoms enshrined in the Bill of Rights do not owe their vitality to the continued approval of the majority.

However, their vitality is highly endangered from usurpation by the federal judiciary.

67 posted on 08/28/2003 2:36:39 PM PDT by dirtboy (Press Alt-Ctrl-Del to reset this tagline)
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To: quidnunc
CAIR and the other Muslim advocacy groups, the Klan, Noan Chomsky and his chomskyites, The ACLU red devils, the members of the Ruckus Society and their fellow anarchists/nihilists, ELF and the other eco-terrorists, NOW, NARAL, the Dykes on Bikes… who?

You mean the folks that the federal courts routinely rule in favor of?

68 posted on 08/28/2003 2:37:12 PM PDT by dirtboy (Press Alt-Ctrl-Del to reset this tagline)
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To: quidnunc
The people of Alabama and the United States in this case.
69 posted on 08/28/2003 2:37:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: quidnunc
Who cares??? You point your finger at the Judge, yet turn a blind eye to judicial totalitarianism? I know for sure the members of the Supreme Court are a bunch of thugs and traitors with an agenda. Cept for the one true dissenting conservative.

They are far and away more dangerous to you personally than any political ambitions Judge Moore, may or may not harbor.
70 posted on 08/28/2003 2:38:52 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: quidnunc
No, they are not.

Those who hold power at the Ballot box are THE final Arbiters. They work for us, not the other way around, and it's high time we reminded these perfumed princes in the Judiciary that they put their pants on the same way we do.
71 posted on 08/28/2003 2:39:12 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (If you continue to do what you've always done, you will continue to get what you've always got.)
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To: tscislaw
There would be no jury involved if it were a bench trial.
72 posted on 08/28/2003 2:39:44 PM PDT by olorin
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To: quidnunc
And I'd say we're defending our rights from those who are trying to destroy them. And I see you've listed many of them in your reply.

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:39:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Which of your freedoms is he defending? I haven't heard him defending any of mine.

Pre-emption - if your answer is free exercise, he isn't standing up for anyone's right to free exercise. In fact, he has explicitly stated that certain faiths do not count as "religion" for purposes of the 1st Amendment, and that people of other faiths only have the freedom to worship their gods because the Judeo-Christian God - not the U.S. Constitution, but the Judeo-Christian God ALONE - allows people of other faiths to have freedom of conscience.

His statement, not mine.

That, to me, is a far cry from defending the rights of all Americans.

74 posted on 08/28/2003 2:40:13 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: dirtboy
And which rights did Ed Carnes or Myron Thompson or William Steele usurp in this case?
75 posted on 08/28/2003 2:41:19 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
I know you wouldn't know this, AAS, but knowledgeable people also know that Judge Easterbrook is one of the best damn judges in the U.S.

Here is a better Judge.

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LAW OF THE LAND
Court OKs 10 Commandments display Federal judge says Texas Capitol exhibit constitutional

Posted: October 11, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

A federal judge in Austin, Texas, has ruled that a 42-year-old display of the Ten Commandments on the grounds of the state Capitol building is not an official endorsement of religion and can remain intact.

U.S. District Judge Harry Lee Hudspeth found that the six-feet-by-three-feet granite memorial – one of 17 monuments on state Capitol grounds – was appropriate as a tool "to promote youth morality and to stop the alarming increase in delinquency," and served a legitimate secular purpose.

The court also found that no reasonable observer would conclude that the state sought to advance or endorse religion. The Ten Commandments display did not contain the state seal or the Lone Star symbol, as other monuments do.

"The court was clear in noting that the display of the … monument could not be interpreted by a reasonable observer as a state endorsement of religion," said Mathew Staver, president and general counsel of Liberty Counsel, a nonprofit legal group that defends religious-freedom cases.

"Each of the Ten Commandments has played a significant role in the foundation of our system of law and government," he said, adding that the biblical edicts have "both a secular and religious aspect."

Liberty Counsel filed an amicus brief with the court in support of the state of Texas.

Thomas Van Orden, a homeless criminal defense lawyer who has temporarily lost his law license, filed suit to have the display removed, claiming it was an official endorsement of religion. He could not be reached for comment.

"To ignore the influence of the Ten Commandments in the founding and shaping of American law and government would require significant historical revisionism," Staver told WorldNetDaily. He said they "take on an even greater secular aspect when placed in the context of other historical or legal documents, such as in the context of the state Capitol."

Texas Gov. Rick Perry also applauded the ruling.

"Today's court ruling is a victory for those who believe, as I do, that the Ten Commandments are time-tested and appropriate guidelines for living a full and moral life," he said in a statement. "The Ten Commandments provide a historical foundation for our laws and principles as a free and strong nation, under God, and should be displayed at the Texas Capitol."

Staver said he was unsure whether Van Orden would appeal.

The display was donated to the state by the Fraternal Order of Eagles in 1961 as part of a youth guidance project "to give the youth of the nation a code of conduct by which to govern their actions," said Staver.

The monument sits in a small park-like subsection between the state Supreme Court building and the Capitol.

Display of the Ten Commandments has not fared well recently in other court venues. On Wednesday, a federal court in Frankfort, Ky., rejected a plan to display a Ten Commandments monument near the state Capitol, saying it was a thinly disguised effort at government promotion of religion. However, the court said the state could display the edicts by presenting them in the context of other historical and non-religious material.

In 1997, then-Alabama state court Judge Roy Moore, over the objections of the American Civil Liberties Union, posted the Ten Commandments in his chambers.

Moore has since been elevated to chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.

76 posted on 08/28/2003 2:43:13 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: lugsoul
He's defending our first and tenth amendment rights from those who are trying to destroy them (the ACLU, the Federal government, etc.)
77 posted on 08/28/2003 2:43:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: lugsoul
And which rights did Ed Carnes or Myron Thompson or William Steele usurp in this case?

The 10th Amendment - it is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution that the federal government is required to maintain any separation of religion and state - in fact, references to God are peppered throughout the federal government. Therefore, under the 10th, this was a state matter, to be resolved by the State of Alabama.

I'm not a Christian, but I think Moore is right here. There was no violation to any federal-level enumerated rights by having that monument in the state courthouse. So the feds create a right from thin air and use that to deny the Alabama Judiciary to place a monument in their own building. That's usurpation. And it's just one example of thousands over the last few decades.

78 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (Press Alt-Ctrl-Del to reset this tagline)
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To: bjs1779
Based on his own opinion in the Moore case, Myron Thompson would've ruled the same way on this case.

Hudspeth ain't a better judge than Easterbrook, though, and if you think that based on this one article you need to do a little homework.

79 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45:43 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: dirtboy
None of those judges relied on the doctrine of "separation of church and state." Those who claim they did are either (a) misinformed or (b) trying to mislead.
80 posted on 08/28/2003 2:46:47 PM PDT by lugsoul
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