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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"
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Posted on 08/28/2003 10:38:47 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

Dr. James Dobson, a well-known and respected national Christian leader in speaking at a rally in front of the Alabama Courthouse containing the disputed monument of the Ten Commandments compared the ongoing struggle with that of the Black equal rights movement of the 1950's.

Dr. Dobson described the irony of how in 1955 when Rosa Parks refused to "Go to the back of the bus." by racially-driven bigots sparked a national equal rights movment and said that another national "movement" was now underway to protect the rights of Christians.

Dr. Dobson declared, "We are not going to the back of the bus!" in alluding to a growing consensus of Christian-Americans who would no longer tolerate being treated as citizens with lesser rights.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: drdobson; equalrights; jamesdobson; reliigon; tencommandments
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To: Happy2BMe
Go Jimbo Dobson go! That goes double for Roy Moore!
121 posted on 08/28/2003 12:04:58 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Robert_Paulson2
The judge is getting more support from the socialist christians here on freerepublic than he has garnered in his own state.

You'd have to want a centralized govt to be a socialist ... a rag head liberal too --- to stop religious rights and liberties of the states and individuals --- the united soviet states of iran - nkorea --- cuba !

122 posted on 08/28/2003 12:04:59 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Colofornian
What? You think firehoses was the opening salvo of the civil rights movement. Re-read your history, then.

It was merely a picture used to illustrate the ridiculousness of comparing the Judge Moore sideshow to the civil rights struggles of the 50s & 60s. Should I have used a lynching photo instead?

Maybe you should suggest to Dobson that *he* study the civil rights movement. After all, there were many before Rosa Parks who refused to give up their seats.

123 posted on 08/28/2003 12:05:01 PM PDT by gdani
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To: Stone Mountain
You've asked an honest question, and I'll honor that with an honest answer.

If one is a Christian, one does not live by the Ten Commandments. Paul was very specific in Romans chapter 7, that while he desired to follow the law, he was incapable of doing so, and cited the commandment against coveting as the best example of his inability (a good example, because unlike the actions addressed in most of the other commandments, coveting is really a sin of the heart -- it isn't seen on the outside). Peter made similar claims of inability to keep the Law, including a great comment in one of his defenses in the book of Acts whereby he attacked the religious leaders of Israel for not being able to keep the Law themselves.

A Christian does not claim to live by the Law, not even the Ten Commandments, but claims to live by the indwelling life of Christ. It is by divine enabling, resulting from the union of the believer's spirit with the Spirit of Christ (not symbolically, but actually), that one's life exemplifies the ideals of the moral teachings of the Bible. A feverish effort to apply the rules and regulations of the Law to oneself through the power of self and one's will is simply "legalism." A person may exhibit some of the behaviors required of the Law, including the Ten Commandments, but remember what Jesus said...If a man even LOOKS at a woman lustfully, he's fallen short of the commandment against adultry. Pretty tough standard. So tough, no one can attain it. Which is why we all need divine help to live a life pleasing to God, and that is why God made it possible 1) for our sins to be dealt with on the cross of Christ and by faith, and 2) for Christ to come and live in our own spirits, motivating and enabling one to fulfill God's purpose in their lives, and where the fruit of that union are righteousness and Christ-likeness.

So, the question isn't whether you've lived at variance with the Ten Commandments, but whether you've received Christ.

The Ten Commandments, as displayed in the entrance to the Alabama Supreme Court, are symbolic of our nation's recognition of our dependence on divine assistance, and a recognition that our laws have a basis in God's moral law (which are representative of His character). The Seculofacists want to rid our culture of all symbols our our reliance upon God, or of following of His moral law.

124 posted on 08/28/2003 12:06:40 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: conserv13
but why couldn't another judge somewhere put up a Buddhist or Hindu monument in their courthouse? Why not the code of Hammurabi or something?

Can you cite any of the law which forms the basis of the tenets of any of these examples you have noted that in turn forms the basis for the establishment of the code of law in the US?

Did any of the founders of the US of A quote any of these examples upon which they based a legal position in the formation of the US of A or the drafting of the Constitution itself?

Lastly,... all of the above for any one on the 50 individual States which constitute the US of A.

We're all waiting.

125 posted on 08/28/2003 12:06:40 PM PDT by Agamemnon
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To: patriotUSA
That says it all.
126 posted on 08/28/2003 12:06:50 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Our enemies within are very slick, but slime is always treacherously slick, isn't it?)
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To: tame; Chancellor Palpatine
Both Dobson and King are saved by God's grace found in Jesus Christ.
127 posted on 08/28/2003 12:08:31 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: smith288
So you prefer to just be wrong about the argument than be a hypocrite and support a states right to decorate their court house however they please?

Not sure what you mean here. Could you elaborate?

You can call me a hypocrite... fine.

Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically. But lets find out: Do you support the fed interfering with states determining their own assisted suicide laws?

If I cannot spread the word of God freely then what else is there?

In this Commandments case, the question is not whether private citizens can spread the Word freely. That is not even up for debate. You can and should be able to put the Commandments on your car, on your shirt, on a sign, on the radio, on TV, on your front lawn, on the internet, ad infinitum...

The question is whether the Government can spread the Word. This is quite a different issue, unless you contend that you cannot spread the Word without the government's help. Is that the case?

128 posted on 08/28/2003 12:12:20 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: The Green Goblin
No, I'm saying that if a person disagrees with teachings of the Ten Commandments, doesn't that imply that he's FOR murder, FOR disrespect to parents, FOR adultry, etc.? The teachings of the Ten Commandments are largely accepted by all civilized societies in the world (emphasis on "civilized") so why do some people oppose them being honored on a wall, a plaque, or a monument? The only reason I can see for people's opposition is that the Ten Commandments, while universal in their acceptance, specifically come from the Jewish/Christian Bible. The issue with their opposition isn't that people disagree with the teachings, by in large, but that they despise Christianity and Judaism. Wouldn't you say?
129 posted on 08/28/2003 12:14:25 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: DonQ
If it was a work of art that shocked Christian values, the courts would have seen things very differently, and so would have everyone who supports the removal of this piece of art. It's place in the Rotunda would have been guarded 24/7 by armed US Marshals.
130 posted on 08/28/2003 12:15:06 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Our enemies within are very slick, but slime is always treacherously slick, isn't it?)
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To: My2Cents
So, the question isn't whether you've lived at variance with the Ten Commandments, but whether you've received Christ.

But you said earlier that: " anyone who holds to a religion at variance with the Ten Commandments, probably is in court on criminal charges, and they're probably guilty to boot." Given what you just said here, do you still stand by that statement? Would you tend to believe that anyone who hasn't accepted Christ and is court on criminal charges is also "probably guilty?"
131 posted on 08/28/2003 12:16:48 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Happy2BMe
Despite their public wailing, Dobson, James Kennedy, Pat Robertson, and the rest of the religious grifters just love this case. The claim that government is attacking God brings in the bucks from their gullible followers like nothing else.
132 posted on 08/28/2003 12:17:39 PM PDT by WackyKat
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To: My2Cents
No, I'm saying that if a person disagrees with teachings of the Ten Commandments, doesn't that imply that he's FOR murder, FOR disrespect to parents, FOR adultry, etc.?

Maybe he's just against keeping the Sabbath holy or in worshipping the ONE God. Just because someone disagrees with the teachings of the 10 Commandments doesn't necessarily mean that they disagree with each commandment.

The teachings of the Ten Commandments are largely accepted by all civilized societies in the world (emphasis on "civilized") so why do some people...

You are prepared to call over 1 billion people of the world uncivilized?
133 posted on 08/28/2003 12:20:17 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: My2Cents
The only reason I can see for people's opposition is that the Ten Commandments, while universal in their acceptance.....

I would say that the first 4 are definitely not universally accepted. And violating #10 is the basis of capitalism.

134 posted on 08/28/2003 12:20:48 PM PDT by gdani
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To: WackyKat
"The claim that government is attacking God brings in the bucks from their gullible followers like nothing else."

Ya - I know, huh.

Just like those poor suckers who followed G.W. across the Potomoc River and thouse dumb slugs who signed the Declaration of Independence.

135 posted on 08/28/2003 12:21:34 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: gdani
Good pic - if many on these forums get their way, that's exactly how Christians would (will?) be treated in this country.

Stalin purged them out. Lenin did. They came back. And now there is more religious freedom in Russia than there is in Montgomery, Alabama.

136 posted on 08/28/2003 12:23:51 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
LOL. You are clueless.



lol.. you are a spammer.
137 posted on 08/28/2003 12:24:17 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (We need a new war... the *--WAR on GLUTTONY--* to save America...)
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To: Happy2BMe
Good pic - if many on these forums get their way, that's exactly how Christians would (will?) be treated in this country.

It's that type of hyperbole that hurts your cause, not helps it.

138 posted on 08/28/2003 12:25:01 PM PDT by gdani
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To: Agamemnon
No I can't. But not all 10 commandments apply. Having one God and not using his name in vain are not the basis of US law.

I found this on Hammurabi's code in the Catholic Encyclopedia, www.newadvent.org

Of all the ancient legislations, that of the Hebrews alone can stand comparison with the Babylonian Code. The many points of resemblance between the two, the Babylonian origin of the father of the Hebrew race, the long relations of Babylon with the land of Amurru, have prompted modern scholars to investigate whether the undeniable relation of the two codes is not one of dependence. The conclusions arrived at may be breifly stated as follows. Needless to notice that Hammiurabi is in no wise indebted to the Hebrew Law. As to the latter, its older part, the Code of the Covenant (Exod., xxi, 1- xxiii, 19), is intended for a semi-nomadic people, and therefore cannot depend on Hammurabi's enactments. Both codes derive from a common older source, to be sought in the early customs of the Semitic race, when Babylonians, Hebrews, Arabs, and others were still forming one people. The work of the Hebrew lawgiver consisted in codifying these ancient usages as he found them, and promulgating them under Yahweh's authority. The early Israelite code may, perhaps, seem imperfect in comparison with the Babylonian corpus juris, but, whilst the latter is founded upon the dictates of reason, the Hebrew Law is grounded on the faith in the one true God, and is pervaded throughout by an earnest desire to obey and please Him, which reaches its highest expression in the Law of Deuteronomy.

139 posted on 08/28/2003 12:25:40 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: My2Cents
Your views are the best possible demonstration of why the monument should NOT be in the courthouse.
140 posted on 08/28/2003 12:26:55 PM PDT by WackyKat
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