Free Republic Founder Supports Tom McClintock!

Jim Robinson ^

[ambrose]

Free Republic Founder Supports McClintock

[headsonpikes]

My #17 is a reply to your #66.

Crazy!

[BunnySlippers]

Anybody watching Hardball tonight! Jerry Brown, mayor of Oakland is building up McClintock ... says don't fool around with conservatives ...

Why are liberals trying to pump up McClintock so much ... I have seen Art Torres do this twice in the last week.

[PRND21]

Why are liberals trying to pump up McClintock so much

Because they fear Arnold and they want Mc and supporters to wage war on the projected winner, Arnold.

[william clark]

I think the point these froth-at-the-mouth mclintites miss is we all support conservative values and candidates that represent them.

Sure you do. That's why every time a McClintock update thread appears, you guys descend upon it with terms like "The unelectable...," "McNader," "Mr. 4%" (guess that one needs updating, huh?), etc.

The problem is...getting someone like that elected in far-left California is next to impossible.

And of course, knee-jerk bashing of the candidate and his supporters as soon as the campaign gets started really helps the cause, doesn't it?

But you can't explain even the obvious to someone who refuses to listen.

You mean like suggesting that someone give the conservative candidate a chance to run some ads, get some exposure and appear in some debates before surrendering to the compromise candidate? If that's what you mean, you're absolutely right.

[ambrose]

Why are liberals trying to pump up McClintock so much

You calling Jim Robinson a liberal??!!

[Buffalo Head]

Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position. Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc.

They really don't have a clue. Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right. There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds. Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail. But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default. Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails. Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has.

One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign. Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate. If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.

Wellstone has just one strategy. That is to cost the Republican candidate his base. He knows the Republican candidate has enough center to defeat him. But if the Republican base can be made to sit on its hands or protest vote then Wellstone can prevail.

In politics it is called using wedge issues. The right has a very large number of wedgeable members. The left really enjoys driving the wedge to make them do things counter productive to their goals.

When you talk to people who fall for negative campaigning, they always tell you that when the right guy comes along to sell the right views, his side will prevail.

You keep saying to yourself that people can't be that dumb.... but experience proves that they are.

[Buffalo Head]

Jim: With all due respect, please see post 26. Buff

[old school]

First, you have to dare to believe. Then, you have to stick to your guns. Finally, you have to accept the results of having "made a decision." Conservatives don't have a Herd-mentality, therefore, they can't be stampeded into accepting decisions other people have made for them!
Quitters are anathema to conservetives; therefore, they are disliked by the more pliant among us! Hmmm, "two-legs bad, four-legs good," where have I heard that before?

[ambrose]

you should bump a person if/when you talk about him on a thread

[It's me]

McClintock will not drop out.

[nopardons]

Because they KNOW that Tom is going to lose, that if enough Conservatives refuse to vote for Arnold, he'll lose too, and it's a great way of getting Cruz elected easily.

[anymouse]

Wouldn't just linking to JimRob's response on that other thread be more appropriate and less deceptive? Your effort to make this look like JimRob posting a thread endorsing McClintock is less than FReeper-like.

It also may run FR and JimRob in violation of Campaign Finance Reform regulations (not that JimRob or I are any fans of CFR, but it is the law.)

[Tempest]

Yeah!!!!

Simon Vs. Davis Part Deux!!!!


W0ot! Lose one for the gipper!

[TheDon]

Who on FR doesn't?

[Amerigomag]

Free Republic Founder Supports McClintock

So do many of its members.

[Poohbah]

First, you have to dare to believe.

Apparently, the first step is to mouth a useless platitude that will have zero practical effect on the problem at hand.

Then, you have to stick to your guns.

Hmm. The second step is to mouth another useless platitude that will have zero practical effect on the problem at hand.

When I hear stuff that sounds like something Dilbert's Pointy-Haired Boss would say before making a really stupid decision...I start worrying.

Finally, you have to accept the results of having "made a decision."

Conservatives in this state have made a long-standing string of decisions, none of them with successful results. They have opted for the "perfect" instead of the "good enough," lost elections, and then watched from the sidelines as the Democrats got their way without even working for it.

If you want more of the same, fine--I don't. Tell me what practical steps we take to get McClintock past the problem of zero name recognition, zero money, zero time to get either, and zero appeal outside of the minority of voters.

Conservatives don't have a Herd-mentality, therefore, they can't be stampeded into accepting decisions other people have made for them!

Conservatives are an extremely small minority in this state, and McClintock has zero appeal (and zero time/money to build any appeal) outside of the conservative community.

Ronald Reagan in 1966 would not have been pure enough for you; you would have refused to support him because he talked to the ritually unclean voter (i.e., the centrist).

Quitters are anathema to conservetives; therefore, they are disliked by the more pliant among us!

Gosh, forgive me for pointing out that McClintock has some difficult tasks...and very little time or resources to accomplish those tasks with.

Hmmm, "two-legs bad, four-legs good," where have I heard that before?

"Fiddle-dee-dee, I'll think about that tomorrow." Where did I hear THAT, Miz Scarlett?

[Humidston]

CT is right, dangit. We represent the VRWC, du represents the socialist "progressives." Neither side will ever win a majority if we doggedly stick to our far from center candidate.

If McClintock stays in the race, he'll split the R vote and the D will win. (UNLESS Arnold screws up -- It's probably his race to lose.)

Not until we homeschool, not until we bail out of liberal churches, not until we arm our younger voters with ammunition to fight off collectivism and moral relativism, will we ever be able to turn this country around. Our young people are being brainwashed in public institutions.

Sadly, today I agree with CT. But I hope I can live long enough to see that become passe!

[South40]

Sure you do. That's why every time a McClintock update thread appears, you guys descend upon it with terms like "The unelectable...," "McNader," "Mr. 4%" (guess that one needs updating, huh?), etc.

"You guys?" You must have me confused with someone else. I think he's unelectable but I hardly descend upon every thread. And, yes...it does need updating as today's poll has him at...what...11% to Arnold's 40 something?

And of course, knee-jerk bashing of the candidate and his supporters as soon as the campaign gets started really helps the cause, doesn't it?

Sorry bub...but you're confused again. I've bashed no one. I've merely stated my opinion that the likelyhood of a mcclintock win in far-left California is unlikely. The bashing, or what I've seen of it, is all being done by mclintites to anyone who dares disagree with them.

You mean like suggesting that someone give the conservative candidate a chance to run some ads, get some exposure and appear in some debates before surrendering to the compromise candidate? If that's what you mean, you're absolutely right.

He can have all the chances you or he wants. I still think he'd stand little chance in the liberal state of California. In case you're confused again, that's not bashing, it's just my opinion.

[Afronaut]

Anyone who supports and defends liberals is the enemy.

[Tempest]

I love it. This is like going to watch the Rams play just because you feel like rooting for the losing team.