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HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT?
Yahoo.com ^ | Tue, Aug 26, 2003 | Richard Reeves

Posted on 08/26/2003 4:39:32 PM PDT by presidio9

Sen. John Kerry spent the weekend in the Hamptons but never got to the beach. There is no time for sand and sea when you are gathering money for a presidential campaign.

The man from Massachusetts had a pretty good couple of days. Several dozen New Yorkers (mostly) paid $500 each to hear him at a brunch in Southampton, where he was introduced as the candidate with: "the war record of John Kennedy, the brains of Bill Clinton (news - web sites), the toughness of Lyndon Johnson and the hair of Ronald Reagan (news - web sites)."

A good time was had by all, even if you heard the occasional grumble of, "What the hell is she doing out here? What is she raising money for?"

"She" is Hillary. The senator from New York was down the road in Easthampton, getting ready to do her own gathering at a $250-a-head cocktail party. Pretty good for a freshman senator. But Kerry, who has served 19 years in that august company, is not concerned about Hillary the senator. He is worried about Hillary for President -- and well he should be.

The race for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 has changed totally in the past few weeks. At the beginning of the summer, Hillary could comfortably deny having national presidential ambitions because the comfortable conventional wisdom was that it didn't really matter who the Democratic candidate would be, because President Bush (news - web sites) had a lock on re-election. (I'm sure that the thought has never crossed her mind that it would be better for her if Bush won in 2004, leaving her a clear field in 2008.)

But now! With Bush looking more vulnerable because there are not enough jobs at home and not enough peace abroad, Sen. Clinton has to check some numbers. If a Democrat, say Kerry, defeats Bush next November and then runs for re-election in 2008, then her next chance to run would probably be in 2012, when she will be 65 years old. And who knows what the world will look like then?

For the record, our new senator has said she was not interested in the presidency. So has former Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites), who might be rethinking his own future. Not for the record, though, Hillary and her advisers, including her husband the ex-president, her money men and pollsters, will meet shortly after Labor Day -- Sept. 6, I hear -- to discuss whether or not she should go for it. It is a decision that has to be made earlier rather than later because of November and December filing deadlines for the early primary elections that will almost certainly (and very quickly) identify the 2004 Democratic nominee.

The contest, again almost certainly, will be over by March 2 at the latest, and possibly as early as the end of January. California, New York, Texas, Ohio and eight smaller states will hold primary elections on Super-Super Tuesday that second day of March. There is even a chance that if the same candidate, say Kerry, could win the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 19 and the New Hampshire primary on Jan. 27, he could win early enough to cut off the financial and journalistic oxygen of other Democratic runners. If Hillary decides to do it -- you get to be president only by running for it -- she will have to meet filing deadlines by announcing her candidacy before the end of this year.

Sen. Clinton is in the same high-stakes dilemma as one of her predecessors was 35 years ago. In 1968, New York Sen. Robert F. Kennedy was the most celebrated Democrat in the country after President Lyndon Johnson announced he would not run -- after almost being defeated in New Hampshire by a critic of the war in Vietnam, Sen. Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota. Kennedy threw caution and old non-candidate promises to the wind and entered the contest against McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey.

There are great similarities between then and now, and between New York's carpetbagger senators -- Bobby from Massachusetts, Hillary from Arkansas -- beginning with their name recognition, their armies of admirers and enemies and their dominating position in polls.

And polling could drive Hillary's decision, beginning with Bush's popularity ratings. On her own side, Democratic polls right now show Kerry, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, former House majority leader Richard Gephardt and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean as the Democratic leaders, each of them with 15 or 20 percent of the Democratic vote nationally. Throw Hillary's name into those polls and she gets between 37 percent of the vote (ABC News poll) and 48 percent (Quinnipac Institute).

Kerry and the rest drop to single digits. Unfair? Of course. If Bush is in trouble, Kerry and Dean could be the Gene McCarthys of their generation if Hillary decides to be Bobby.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; hillary; richardreeves; signsoftheapocalypse
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1 posted on 08/26/2003 4:39:32 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Not for the record, though, Hillary and her advisers, including her husband the ex-president, her money men and pollsters, will meet shortly after Labor Day -- Sept. 6, I hear -- to discuss whether or not she should go for it.It is a decision that has to be made earlier rather than later because of November and December filing deadlines for the early primary elections that will almost certainly (and very quickly) identify the 2004 Democratic nominee.

The money men--that means the meeting will be conferenced-called with Beijing and Lippo HQ.

2 posted on 08/26/2003 4:48:54 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: presidio9
I'd LOVE to see her debate, you know, President, ummm, Bush.
3 posted on 08/26/2003 4:53:37 PM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: presidio9
Bring it on Hillary! We'll have a field day with you.
4 posted on 08/26/2003 4:54:59 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Awareness is what you know before you know anything else.)
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To: mombonn
I'd LOVE to see her debate, you know, President, ummm, Bush.

I'd love to see her roll her eyes every time he answered a question. It would be even better than algore's sighs.

5 posted on 08/26/2003 4:57:11 PM PDT by presidio9 (Run Al Run!!!)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
ping
6 posted on 08/26/2003 4:57:59 PM PDT by presidio9 (Run Al Run!!!)
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To: presidio9
There are great similarities between then and now, and between New York's carpetbagger senators -- Bobby from Massachusetts, Hillary from Arkansas -- beginning with their name recognition, their armies of admirers and enemies and their dominating position in polls.

And, maybe, The Hildabeaste will share Bobby's final fate?

Oops, bet I went too far this time. The Hildabeaste's jackbooted thugs will be breaking down my door any minute. Wait a minute... (checks that safety is off)... NOW I'm ready for 'em!

7 posted on 08/26/2003 5:00:22 PM PDT by upchuck (I will pay big bucks for a tag line good enough to make the next "Taglinus FreeRepublicus" post.)
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To: presidio9
It's going to happen, folks... I guarantee it.
8 posted on 08/26/2003 5:01:02 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (This tag line has been intentionally left blank.)
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To: kristinn
then her next chance to run would probably be in 2012, when she will be 65 years old. And who knows what in the world she will look like then?

They missed a few words - thought I'd be helpful and add them. I think we all know the answer (shudder)

9 posted on 08/26/2003 5:01:31 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (My kid might play the game, but don't you EVER call me a SOCCER MOM!!!!!)
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To: presidio9
bring it on
10 posted on 08/26/2003 5:04:20 PM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
she will run in 2008, she is the front runner for 2008, and she could win, don't underestimate her.
11 posted on 08/26/2003 5:06:18 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: presidio9
She snuck into the Senate without any tough questions from the press, or going through a series of debates.

With Hollywood, unions, and the press working for her campaign, she could make a formidable run.

She might win, too.

At which point, I'd expect the seven trumpets to begin to sound, because the country would be on its way to final ruin.

12 posted on 08/26/2003 5:10:30 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Don't like this one bit!! The bitch from HELL and her VOMIT hubby are trouble! The liberal media whores will, lie, cheat, spin and die for her if they have too til election time! It's the gullibe sheeple I fear! This country is divided evenly 50/50 with numbers like that the BITCH WITCH has an excellent chance of winning!! She didn't go on that tour to sell books you know! Sounded and looked more like a listening tour! I'm afraid the the HILDABEAST has an excellent chance of capturing the WH! YIKES!
13 posted on 08/26/2003 5:11:06 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: presidio9
She's running for '04. It's all done except for the cashbag and the paperwork. One by one, the nine dwarves will capitulate to the evil queen.

And America's Left will at last have their Marxist Messiah.

14 posted on 08/26/2003 5:11:16 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You... on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: Old Sarge
You think Dean the mean machine would give up his post that easily to Hitlery? Without a fight? I doubt it! But than again I might be wrong! Hitlery has strange demonic powers over the sheeple in america!
15 posted on 08/26/2003 5:14:57 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: presidio9
"...she will have to meet filing deadlines by announcing her candidacy before the end of this year."


If someone is 'drafted' at a presidential convention, would they have had to file for the candidacy ahead of time? Stupid question, I know, but I've never been sure how that works.

Where do you look to see who HAS filed for the presidency...what website?
16 posted on 08/26/2003 5:19:08 PM PDT by Maria S ("..I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end" Uday H.)
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To: presidio9
"the war record of John Kennedy,"
(I didn't know that Kerry had a boat sunk under his command)
"the brains of Bill Clinton"
(and we know where Clinton's brain was located...)
"the toughness of Lyndon Johnson"
("Lee Harvey, y'all don't forget to aim good, hear?")
"and the hair of Ronald Reagan"
(OK, I'll give him that)
17 posted on 08/26/2003 5:20:45 PM PDT by ZviTheWise (Silence=Death)
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To: presidio9
Crap :-(
18 posted on 08/26/2003 5:22:32 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (I need a new tag line)
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To: presidio9
I want to laugh. And cry.

I'm just not sure the Republicans have the guts to push the stake all the way through.

19 posted on 08/26/2003 5:27:42 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness
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To: Maria S
"Where do you look to see who HAS filed for the presidency...what website?"

Candidates don't actually "file" for the presidency. They first form "exploratory committees". Then, once they announce, "campaign committees".

For the time being, virtually every candidate already has a campaign treasury -- because are already elected officials.

All the talk about a "draft" is greatly overblown. I can't recall a major party drafting a candidate into service in my lifetime. You've got to run for the nomination...

20 posted on 08/26/2003 5:29:54 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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