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County sued over court Bible display (Houston, Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^ | August 26, 2003 | Allan Turner

Posted on 08/26/2003 7:06:51 AM PDT by padfoot_lover

Citing concern over what she perceives as growing religious fundamentalism, a Houston woman filed suit Monday in federal court against Harris County, demanding it remove a King James Bible from a monument near the Fannin Street entrance of the civil courthouse.

The Bible, tattered and waterstained, has occupied the lighted display case since 1995, when an employee of then-state District Judge John Devine's court undertook an effort to refurbish the neglected monument. The 4-foot-tall pedestal was erected in 1956 to honor industrialist William Mosher for his philanthropic contributions to the Star of Hope Homeless Programs.

"It's unconstitutional and I expect our elected officials to follow the law," said real estate agent Kay Staley, explaining her suit. Staley, who also is a lawyer, is a member of the Houston chapter of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. The lawsuit was filed by civil rights attorney Randall Kallinen.

Late last week, Kallinen indicated the lawsuit would be filed only if further negotiations with the county, started in May, proved fruitless. Early Monday, however, he announced he would move forward with the legal action.

Staley said controversy surrounding Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's defiance of a court order to remove a monument bearing the Ten Commandments from the state's judicial building prompted her to move ahead with the lawsuit.

County Judge Robert Eckels, who has defended the monument, said Monday that the Harris County monument is "fundamentally different" from the one in Alabama. In the local case, he said, the Bible simply is a component in a tribute to Mosher, a devoutly religious man.

"I've talked to the county attorney and he's ready to defend us," Eckels said. "We believe the monument is appropriate. If someone disagrees, well, that's what courts are for."

Staley, a graduate of Baptist-affiliated Baylor University, said she is concerned about growing religious fundamentalism as reflected in the monument.

The 1995 effort to refurbish the neglected monument, which had become filled with garbage, was led by Karen Friend, a member of Devine's court staff. Contributions from members of First Baptist Church were used to repair the monument and to put a new Bible in it.

Devine, who served as a civil court judge from 1995 to 2001, said refurbishing the monument became his "personal cause," and he directed his staff in the work.

"We have this insane rush to eliminate every Christian tradition and symbol from our culture," Devine said. "As much as the Bible is a religious text, it is a book of law. It's always had a position in the courtroom since the early 1800s. Witnesses and jurors were sworn in on the Bible."

Devine dismissed the concept of separation of church and state as "falsity," saying it was supported neither in the Constitution nor Declaration of Independence.

"The Bible is not welcome anywhere in the American system, it appears," Devine said. "I think that's outrageous. It's been here 200 years, and now someone has the harebrained idea it doesn't belong."

The courthouse Bible dispute marks the second time this year that religious exhibits on public property have stirred controversy in Harris County.

In March, Gail Hurley, longtime chairwoman of the Tomball Park, Recreation and Beautification Advisory Board, lost her position in what she described as retribution for her criticism of a Ten Commandments monument in the town's Heritage Plaza.

Hurley took exception not to the religious content, she said, but to a city decision to place a plaque bearing the names of advisory board members next to the commandments.

City council members denied that her criticism led to her replacement.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Texas
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And the insanity continues....
1 posted on 08/26/2003 7:06:51 AM PDT by padfoot_lover
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To: Admin Moderator
Please delete this post; it's a duplicate, sorry!
2 posted on 08/26/2003 7:09:39 AM PDT by padfoot_lover
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To: padfoot_lover
The County displaying the historical Bible is a clear case of Congress making a Law establishing a religion.
3 posted on 08/26/2003 7:09:52 AM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: padfoot_lover
It's a display, for pete's sake.

There's all kinds of displays and other things like art, posters, statues, etc. on display in public buildings.

If the building decorating authority can put up those things, then it can put up other things, even religious things. Otherwise, you saw that religious expression is not allowable expression.
4 posted on 08/26/2003 7:13:39 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: padfoot_lover
It's a display....don't want to read it? Then don't look at it for Pete's sake!
5 posted on 08/26/2003 7:50:43 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: padfoot_lover
LEt's hope her neighbors run this busybody b*tch right out of town, as they did with the Montgomery plaintiff (also a woman, of course).
6 posted on 08/26/2003 7:57:56 AM PDT by montag813
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To: padfoot_lover
These lawyers trying so hard to throw all references to God out of our history should be required to live for a year in a Muslim country under Shari'a law. They would have a new respect and understanding for our 'separation of church and state'.
7 posted on 08/26/2003 8:05:20 AM PDT by Sender
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To: padfoot_lover
INTREP
9 posted on 08/26/2003 8:25:24 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Stormy_MS1
Wonder if this is the Plaintiff: Kay Staley Kay Staley Real Estate

GET HER!!!

10 posted on 08/26/2003 8:38:18 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
GET HER!!!

forgot my </ sarcasm> tag

11 posted on 08/26/2003 8:39:44 AM PDT by montag813
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To: padfoot_lover
Time to make her life HELL!

What real estate agency employs agent Kay Staley?

12 posted on 08/26/2003 8:50:00 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: padfoot_lover
IMHO they need to ship this gal to downtown bahgdad to explain this to the troops personally, and see what their response is, have her explain why their rights dont matter, and why they deserve to lose their right to the first ammendment
15 posted on 08/26/2003 9:07:31 AM PDT by paladinkc (release the inmates and lock me up so they can pay for my vacation! Let them see how they like it!)
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To: Guillermo
Bingo. Thanks for the concise, well-stated perspective on this.
16 posted on 08/26/2003 9:49:05 AM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: padfoot_lover
said she is concerned about growing religious fundamentalism as reflected in the monument.

If that's her only concern, maybe they should replace the King James Bible with the Jerusalem Bible.

17 posted on 08/26/2003 9:52:15 AM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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Eventually the Anti-Christian Lawyer's Union is going to go for the big one: Removal of the Bible upon which one swears "..to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but, so help me G*D"

Is another unstated goal of the ACLU to remove perjury laws? Afterall when one swears that oath, one is swearing not to commit a Clinton, er, perjury.

When will one of these suits include the administration of the oath using the Bible? You know it's coming.
18 posted on 08/26/2003 10:08:15 AM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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They are building case law first so they can refer to precedent. The laws certainly won't make their case.
19 posted on 08/26/2003 10:16:45 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christianity, if false, is unimportant and, if true, of infinite importance. - C.S. Lewis)
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Which is why they find things that are not within the clear concise English of the Constitution.

I want to see one of the people debating the lawsuit filers ask them point blank if they want the Bible removed in every courtroom. I want to see the deer in headlights look when asked. I think Hannity would do it.
20 posted on 08/26/2003 10:27:26 AM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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