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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- This year's highly publicized job losses in North Carolina manufacturing, including the Pillowtex bankruptcy, could mean trouble next year for President Bush in a region that was a stronghold in 2000.

Bush won more than 56 percent of the vote in both North Carolina and South Carolina in 2000. But his strong support of free trade has turned some against him in the South, where U.S. trade policies are blamed for the loss of jobs in textiles and other manufacturing sectors.

Andy Warlick, chief executive officer of Parkdale Mills in Gaston County, said he doubts he will repeat his 2000 vote for Bush next year.

"He made a lot of promises and he hasn't delivered on any of them," Warlick said. "I've had some firsthand experience of him sending down trade and commerce officials, but they're just photo ops. It's empty rhetoric."

Fred Reese, the president of Western N.C. Industries, an employers' association, said executives are beginning to raise their voices against Bush and are planning education and voter drives.

"We're seeing a new dynamic where the executives and employees are both beginning to see a real threat to their interests. You're going to see people who traditionally voted Republican switch over," Reese predicted.

The hard feelings were on display days after Pillowtex's July 30 bankruptcy filing, when Republican U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes walked into a Kannapolis auditorium to meet with former workers.

"Thanks for sending the jobs overseas, Robin!" shouted Brenda Miller, a longtime worker at the textile giant's Salisbury plant.

In December 2001 Hayes -- who is an heir to the Cannon family textile fortune -- cast the tie-breaking vote to give Bush the authority to negotiate "fast-track" trade agreements, trade treaties that Congress must vote up or down with no amendments.

At the time, Hayes said he won promises from the Bush administration that it would more strictly enforce existing trade agreements and pressure foreign countries to open their markets to U.S. textiles.

"Are we pleased with the way they responded? Absolutely," Hayes said. "Are we satisfied with where we are? Absolutely not."

Jobs in many industries have fled overseas since 1993, when Congress passed the Clinton-backed North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. About half the textile and apparel jobs that existed in 1994 are gone.

Since Bush took office in January 2001, it is estimated North Carolina and South Carolina have lost more than 180,000 manufacturing jobs.

And even more textile jobs could be out the door once quotas on Chinese imports expire at the end of next year.

Republican U.S. Rep. Cass Ballenger voted for NAFTA and fast-track, and has seen his 10th District lose nearly 40,000 jobs, primarily in the textile and furniture industries.

"Certainly, there's a political cost to any controversial vote no matter which side you take," he said. "People are casting stones, but we're trying to pick them up and build something."

Democratic U.S. Sen. John Edwards voted against fast-track in 2002 after voting for an earlier version. In 2000 he voted for permanent normal trade relations with China.

Recently, though, while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Edwards has attacked Bush's trade policies and called for fairer trade measures.

Robert Neal, vice president of the local chapter of the Pillowtex workers' union, said Hayes has worked to try to ease the impact of job losses in his district.

"Though he (Hayes) voted for fast-track, he is really concerned about the workers and their conditions in the state of North Carolina," Neal said.

Not everyone feels that way.

Reese is organizing 1,500 manufacturing companies across North Carolina in an effort to leverage what he calls a new voting bloc.

In South Carolina, voter drives are planned for the first time at Milliken & Co., which has about 30 plants in the state. Mount Vernon Mills of Greenville, S.C., is forming a political action committee.

The company's president Roger Chastain, a one-time Bush voter, doesn't expect to support the president or Jim DeMint, a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Ernest Hollings.

"We're basically liquidating our whole middle class, polarizing people on the two extremes, have and have-nots," Chastain said of the manufacturing job losses. "We'll be a Third World country."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: economy; fasttrack; jobs; manufacturing; nafta; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; pillotex; treetrade
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To: Dane
How many times are you going to spam that? Its really to the point of beating a dead horse. You arent exposing any new found hypocracy in anyone.

The Bushes are/were 20 times the globalists than Reagan ever was. I think thats pretty obvious to most.

801 posted on 08/26/2003 1:17:21 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Poohbah
I never said I didn't support Buchanan. I did, and still agree with many of his views, too bad you don't. I ended up voting for Bush because I knew Buchanan didn't have a chance. I regret voting for Bush, and won't make the same mistake again. You have a problem with that? Sorry if you do...
802 posted on 08/26/2003 1:18:00 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: harpseal
I do not blindly accept their writings

It couldn't be that I comprehend and share their understanding. I'm blindly accepting. Ok. Whatever.

As Mises and Rothbard often pointed out, one cannot quantify human action. This does not mean that people do not engage in activity in which mathematics is not important, but rather that we cannot accurately use math to describe how humans behave.

Take the simple "Lagrangian Multiplier" that we use in basic graduate-school economics to "explain" consumer behavior. Here, economists construct an equation in which one?s utility depends upon, say, goods "x" and "y." The ability to accumulate such goods is constrained by one?s income and the prices paid for the goods.

In determining the "optimal" state that the consumer can enjoy, one uses tools of multivariable calculus to reach a point where "equilibrium" is reached. At that point, the marginal utility of good "x" divided by the price of good "x" is equal to the marginal utility of good "y" over the price of that good. (I have not done the mathematical work on this page for obvious reasons.)

The problem here is that this "solution" is nonsense. Utility (or consumer satisfaction) cannot be measured in cardinal terms. There is no way to take a cardinal measure of someone's satisfaction. I can say that I like chocolate more than vanilla, but I cannot put that preference in cardinal numbers. An attempt to do so is nothing short of an exercise in fraud.

803 posted on 08/26/2003 1:18:48 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
The Bushes are/were 20 times the globalists than Reagan ever was. I think thats pretty obvious to most.


I second that.
804 posted on 08/26/2003 1:18:56 PM PDT by scottlang
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To: Texas_Dawg
So according to you, anyone who subscribes to the concept of true national sovereignty, and is not a Thomas L. Friedman bootlicker, is a Nazi? Yeah man, no more high walls. Yeah man, the Fast World. Yeah man, super empowered individuals, Yeah man, it's way UNCOOL to guard one's olive tree, when, after all, all we really need is a strip mall and a Lexus. Yeah, man!.......
805 posted on 08/26/2003 1:19:10 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: janetgreen
'Say what you will, but I will NEVER again vote for the "lesser of two evils" like I did in 2000.'

Yes, of course! Voting for the converse is always the best choice. I mean at least the "BEST" Bad guy gets the prize that way.

806 posted on 08/26/2003 1:20:17 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: snopercod
The situation is nowhere as dire as it will be if we don't bring what we can of our capitalism to our southern neighbors. As a Texan I can see it. And so does George Bush. Have you ever been to Mexico?
807 posted on 08/26/2003 1:20:32 PM PDT by My back yard (TTT-day)
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To: JNB
As for the Neo-Cons are self destructing, just looking at this thread, all I can say again is who are the people making childish remarks and statements? Personal attacks, or using the race card?

Lets all be sure to rememeber that.

808 posted on 08/26/2003 1:20:37 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Have you guys addressed once what should be done about Chinese and Indian tarriffs? Have you addressed once about the build-up in the Chinese military that we are helping to fund? They are creating a second airborne division right now on the east coast to threaten China. Have you addressed child and slave labor in China and Vietnam? Have you addressed our government (i.e. us) giving tax breaks, and insurance against damage or political unrest overseas when they close plants down here. No. These things are not issues for you all. There are moderates on this issue, and people like you guys are going to lose them. They would support a tarriff free world, where goods and services move freely. The people we are trading with are not living by those rules, and you all simply won't address it.

A guy that he lost not his job, but his company, because he was not allowed to import overseas to India and China without high tarriffs, but his competitor who moved his plant over there, was allowed to use both tax breaks, insurance, and slave wages to import the product back into the states without all the tarriff hassle, is not going to be heartened when you tell him, that in the long run, they are only hurting themselves by not letting you actually sell things for profit.

That position is an absolute joke. Simply put, you guys won't discuss free trade. The system is rigged right now, and you pretend it's an invisible pink elephant in the living room. I bet 90% of people with questions about "free trade" would be quite satisfied if India dropped their tarriffs, China stopped pointing missiles at us and using slave labor, and our goods and our people could move as freely in their countries as they are allowed to in ours.

An analogy. You tell a boxer, that when he boxes against people whose social security number ends in 1,6, or 7, they have to have one hand tied behind their back, but against them, the other fighter gets to carry a sledgehammer.

When somebody complains, you suggest that they just don't believe in fair sporting. What? Are you suggesting that people who have SSN's ending in 1,6, or 7 can't fight? Are you prejudiced against them?

If India drops the tarriffs, and our government stops giving financial incentives for our companies to move there... not even penalize, no incentives, I will withdraw my objections with trade with India. Is that difficult?

You all refuse to debate these facts. Absolutely always sidetrack, insult, throw out red herrings. In fields such as IT these days, you often aren't anybody's employee as it is, but a free agent contractor. Just a fair clean fight. We can not compete on wages, low safety standards, environmental pollution, etc... when you give tax breaks, and insurance to sweeten the pot, that isn't free or fair.

809 posted on 08/26/2003 1:20:58 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: janetgreen
I never said I didn't support Buchanan.

You announced that no one else was addressing your issues in 1999...and you suddenly claim that you jumped ship for Bush.

I ended up voting for Bush because I knew Buchanan didn't have a chance.

I don't believe you.

Too many of your ilk have taken to deception for me to just believe whatever you say.

810 posted on 08/26/2003 1:21:40 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: scottlang
I second that

And that is supposed to mean something deep in political thought?

811 posted on 08/26/2003 1:22:02 PM PDT by Dane
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To: dogbyte12
Edit last post to say that China is building a second airborne division to threaten Taiwan.
812 posted on 08/26/2003 1:23:16 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: janetgreen
I regret voting for Bush, and won't make the same mistake again.

You will be voting to defeat Bush in 2004. Good luck.

813 posted on 08/26/2003 1:23:20 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (We must always keep FR pure and Merchant-rein.)
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To: Dane
It means that I support and agree with that statement.
814 posted on 08/26/2003 1:24:01 PM PDT by scottlang
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To: Texas_Dawg
More naive ignorance on your part of the enemies of the West. Dollars do not know how to shoot, whereas, guns can find many riches.
815 posted on 08/26/2003 1:24:03 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
So according to you, anyone who subscribes to the concept of true national sovereignty, and is not a Thomas L. Friedman bootlicker, is a Nazi? Yeah man, no more high walls. Yeah man, the Fast World. Yeah man, super empowered individuals, Yeah man, it's way UNCOOL to guard one's olive tree, when, after all, all we really need is a strip mall and a Lexus. Yeah, man!.......

Did you even read that book? Thomas Friedman is a liberal, not a free market capitalist conservative. In that book he wrings his hand and frets over and over about the loss of "sovereignty" to some states and other crap like that that someone who doesn't have faith in capitalism would do.

816 posted on 08/26/2003 1:24:59 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (We must always keep FR pure and Merchant-rein.)
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To: ninenot
Whereas, true trolls such as Texas Dawg and Dane, who appear to be hysterical quasi Jacobin Libertarians do not have either a handle or any other sort of grip.
817 posted on 08/26/2003 1:26:21 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
More naive ignorance on your part of the enemies of the West. Dollars do not know how to shoot, whereas, guns can find many riches.

Spin it however you want but you are as anti-capitalist as the most rabid socialists. You people and they aren't protesting at WTO meetings by some coincidence.

818 posted on 08/26/2003 1:26:37 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (We must always keep FR pure and Merchant-rein.)
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To: dogbyte12
"We can not compete on wages, low safety standards, environmental pollution, etc... when you give tax breaks, and insurance to sweeten the pot, that isn't free or fair."

Duhhhhh.... And you all want more government intervention with Tarffis and laws against moving companies off shore?

How about repealing the crap that is causing companies to leave.

Or does that make too much sense?

819 posted on 08/26/2003 1:27:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
How many times are you going to spam that? Its really to the point of beating a dead horse. You arent exposing any new found hypocracy in anyone

Huh that isn't spam.

Seems like your animus should be against Ronald Reagan for being a free trader.

Hey Dennis Kucinich has announced he is agianst NAFTA and repeal it if elected president.

I actually respect him more than you.

At least Kucinnich doesn't play games like you Buchanan Brigadiers do.

Kuchinnich actually comes out and disagrees with Reagan's trade polices, while you Buchanan Brigadiers hate Reagan policies about trade and yet try to hide behind Reagan's legacy.

Can you say glaring phonieness.

820 posted on 08/26/2003 1:27:21 PM PDT by Dane
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