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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- This year's highly publicized job losses in North Carolina manufacturing, including the Pillowtex bankruptcy, could mean trouble next year for President Bush in a region that was a stronghold in 2000.

Bush won more than 56 percent of the vote in both North Carolina and South Carolina in 2000. But his strong support of free trade has turned some against him in the South, where U.S. trade policies are blamed for the loss of jobs in textiles and other manufacturing sectors.

Andy Warlick, chief executive officer of Parkdale Mills in Gaston County, said he doubts he will repeat his 2000 vote for Bush next year.

"He made a lot of promises and he hasn't delivered on any of them," Warlick said. "I've had some firsthand experience of him sending down trade and commerce officials, but they're just photo ops. It's empty rhetoric."

Fred Reese, the president of Western N.C. Industries, an employers' association, said executives are beginning to raise their voices against Bush and are planning education and voter drives.

"We're seeing a new dynamic where the executives and employees are both beginning to see a real threat to their interests. You're going to see people who traditionally voted Republican switch over," Reese predicted.

The hard feelings were on display days after Pillowtex's July 30 bankruptcy filing, when Republican U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes walked into a Kannapolis auditorium to meet with former workers.

"Thanks for sending the jobs overseas, Robin!" shouted Brenda Miller, a longtime worker at the textile giant's Salisbury plant.

In December 2001 Hayes -- who is an heir to the Cannon family textile fortune -- cast the tie-breaking vote to give Bush the authority to negotiate "fast-track" trade agreements, trade treaties that Congress must vote up or down with no amendments.

At the time, Hayes said he won promises from the Bush administration that it would more strictly enforce existing trade agreements and pressure foreign countries to open their markets to U.S. textiles.

"Are we pleased with the way they responded? Absolutely," Hayes said. "Are we satisfied with where we are? Absolutely not."

Jobs in many industries have fled overseas since 1993, when Congress passed the Clinton-backed North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. About half the textile and apparel jobs that existed in 1994 are gone.

Since Bush took office in January 2001, it is estimated North Carolina and South Carolina have lost more than 180,000 manufacturing jobs.

And even more textile jobs could be out the door once quotas on Chinese imports expire at the end of next year.

Republican U.S. Rep. Cass Ballenger voted for NAFTA and fast-track, and has seen his 10th District lose nearly 40,000 jobs, primarily in the textile and furniture industries.

"Certainly, there's a political cost to any controversial vote no matter which side you take," he said. "People are casting stones, but we're trying to pick them up and build something."

Democratic U.S. Sen. John Edwards voted against fast-track in 2002 after voting for an earlier version. In 2000 he voted for permanent normal trade relations with China.

Recently, though, while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Edwards has attacked Bush's trade policies and called for fairer trade measures.

Robert Neal, vice president of the local chapter of the Pillowtex workers' union, said Hayes has worked to try to ease the impact of job losses in his district.

"Though he (Hayes) voted for fast-track, he is really concerned about the workers and their conditions in the state of North Carolina," Neal said.

Not everyone feels that way.

Reese is organizing 1,500 manufacturing companies across North Carolina in an effort to leverage what he calls a new voting bloc.

In South Carolina, voter drives are planned for the first time at Milliken & Co., which has about 30 plants in the state. Mount Vernon Mills of Greenville, S.C., is forming a political action committee.

The company's president Roger Chastain, a one-time Bush voter, doesn't expect to support the president or Jim DeMint, a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Ernest Hollings.

"We're basically liquidating our whole middle class, polarizing people on the two extremes, have and have-nots," Chastain said of the manufacturing job losses. "We'll be a Third World country."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: economy; fasttrack; jobs; manufacturing; nafta; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; pillotex; treetrade
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To: JNB
Again this thread shows the Neo-Cons are a clueless bunch, and they are self destructing before our eyes in this thread

LOL! Oh well, IMO, you shouldn't project your hero's Pat Buchanans political career to his sworn eneimes, the neo-conservatives.

721 posted on 08/26/2003 11:51:54 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Texas_Dawg
When did I call anyone a racist or anti-Semite?

You got me there. I was mistaken. You never said the words racist or anti-semite. I was mistaken. I was looking through the following posts and saw these. I got confused into thinking you were accusing people of anti-semitism, or racism. Please accept my apology.

We must always keep FR pure and Merchant-rein
Don't get me wrong, being from Texas and a proud Southerner, I'm all for acting like a drunken Redneck... just so long as you are white
I had to settle for another guy who swears he's American, but he looks like a damn Chinaman to me. (He keeps telling me that's because his dad was from China but I'm keeping my eye on him nevertheless.)
definitely don't feel superior to anyone. I'm just out here trying to work and have a good time like everyone else. (Well... everyone except Merchants, Indians, Chinese, Mexicans, Rastafarians, and Italians... they are all just out to steal jobs from their rightful American owners.)
You forgot, "Some of my best friends are Merchants."
Hey, this thread being officially Merchantrein I wouldn't want to get kicked off.
I just want to highlight this quote one more time for all the Buchanan Brigaders on this thread who think we evil "RINOs" are being unfair in our claims of what is really deep down beneath a lot of the rantings on trade that he and his crowd vomit. "Merchants"? So that's what we're calling them now? Classic.
Help me here, Chancellor. I'm thinking "Merchants" is a code word for some other group. Now what could that be...?
Do you go by Karl or Adolf?



My humblest apologies. You aren't calling anybody a racist or anti semite. Those words haven't come out of your mouth.

I could say that you resemble something that proctologists are very familiar with, and still claim that I didn't utter the word it conjures. Semantics is going to get you no where. You used the race card. Be proud of yourself for derailing me and others by insinuating they are anti-semites. You have trolled well.

722 posted on 08/26/2003 11:52:16 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: ninenot
Thank you.
723 posted on 08/26/2003 11:53:09 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Texas_Dawg,

There is a lot about Bush I like. His handling of the war and foreign policy are two that come to mind. But his handling of the economy and jobs has been horrid. I wish he would start to pay attention to the domestic side as well. Tax cuts are not enough. The economy is the only issue the dems can get anywhere on. If a moderate dem come along with a plan to help the economy, I will give him serious consideration. After all Bush is a moderate as well.
724 posted on 08/26/2003 11:53:33 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: riri; Texas_Dawg
Ein volk! Ein reich! Ein Fuhrer! ~ Texas_Dawg

Yep, it's confirmed. When you resort to nazi comparisions and name calling, you are using the "Liberal Playbook". Nice try though. ~ riri

Oh darn! The post got pulled before I could read it...

725 posted on 08/26/2003 11:53:48 AM PDT by null and void (I hate it when that happens...)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Move? No dipwad, it's no better these days in the rural or small to medium city size areas either. Between offshoring, H1Bs, L1s and illegals who are now pulling down $10-$15/hr+ there is little left for either laid off skilled workers or for young people trying to build a foothold in the job market. And none of that "start your own business" crap. Number 1, we can't all start our own small business, that would leave nobody to sell to (or would we all just barter for goods and services). Number 2, anyone who is already laid off, unless they are a "minority" will get any type of loans to start a new business because they have "no source of income". Get a grip, the flow of illegals and the ease of offshoring/H1B hiring has to be stopped and the current holders deported.
726 posted on 08/26/2003 11:54:40 AM PDT by RJS1950
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To: null and void
"The real tragedy is not that they won't see it coming. It's that they won't even recognize it when they have been quick fried to the spot... "

I hope for America's sake this is wrong but actually Bush may go back to the ranch using Gable's words 'Frankly I don't give a dam'. Perhaps he will just sit in his 'Kennebunkport', smoke cigars and accept 'attaboys' from the big winners of his administration - tax cuts for campaign backers, oil business for Cheney, and job exporting profits for one-world business.

Republicans can do better than nominate Bush again.

727 posted on 08/26/2003 11:55:23 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need BALANCED Trade. We buy from you. You buy from us.)
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To: Dane

Now is stuffing words in my mouth, while I agree with Buchanan on immigration and many economic issues, he is too anti military, of course, you would brand many conservatives who do not share your socially darwinistic view of conservatism in the same stripe. I have yet to see in this thread a defense based in facts and figures of the way trade is currently set up.
728 posted on 08/26/2003 11:56:24 AM PDT by JNB
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To: ArneFufkin; scottlang; All
Lael, when a 700 post thread involves the same 20 active participants, that signals no groundswell.

But...

The Demos have NOT made this an issue...YET.

They have tried with the Cali energy mess (most blame Davis), tried with Enron (didn't stick), tried with WMD (no credibility).

I believe that the 20 active participants on this thread represent about 15 shades of opinion and indicates a division in outherwise conservative opinion...and almost NO blowback against the DemocRATS.

If the RATS don't run with it...well, maybe the Stooopid Party will have some competition for that title.

729 posted on 08/26/2003 11:56:37 AM PDT by Lael (It is time to make "OUTSOURCING" the litmus test!!)
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To: fortaydoos
You are what is called a "disruptor". No one can have such poor reading comprehension and be able to function in today's world.

One can't help but wonder what he does for a living that gives him sooooo much free time to post...

730 posted on 08/26/2003 11:56:38 AM PDT by null and void (Just asking...)
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To: Lael
I believe that the 20 active participants on this thread represent about 15 shades of opinion

15 shades? Puh-LEEZE.

731 posted on 08/26/2003 11:57:40 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: holdmuhbeer
"Such as? Yeah I have a modest home but what else?"

Rule Number one: Don't confuse Liabilities and Assets. Liabilities are things that require money for upkeep. (Unless your house makes you more money than you spend on it it is a liability) Assets are things that give you more income. Residual Income is the best.

Rule Number two: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. In other words if you are trusting a paycheck as your ticket to wealth and prosperity then you are gonna lose that game 99 times out of 100!

732 posted on 08/26/2003 11:57:42 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I know who you're are...you're that uber-Merchant, Stan Kiyosaki.
733 posted on 08/26/2003 11:58:28 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: dogbyte12

Dogbyte, the old saying is "Give a man enough rope..............". THis is exactly what we are seeing in this thred. Note the group of people who are making childish remarks, being immature.
734 posted on 08/26/2003 11:59:36 AM PDT by JNB
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To: JNB
Now is stuffing words in my mouth, while I agree with Buchanan on immigration and many economic issues, he is too anti military, of course, you would brand many conservatives who do not share your socially darwinistic view of conservatism in the same stripe. I have yet to see in this thread a defense based in facts and figures of the way trade is currently set up

Nah, it was your use of "neo-cons are self destructing" comment in your reply #714.

That gives you away as being a Buchanan brigdier, as much as Katie Couric stating that "Arnold is a son of a nazi", gives her away as being a rabid democrat.

735 posted on 08/26/2003 12:00:48 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Poohbah
"I know who you're are...you're that uber-Merchant, Stan Kiyosaki."

Damn! Busted!

736 posted on 08/26/2003 12:03:04 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Iscool
To me, it's pretty simple...If you can't afford to hire "American citizens" in your business, you shouldn't be in business in America...

Ah, yes. Undoubtedly, you're the kind of employee that empties the company supply room at "back to school" time as a matter of right, demand raises when the company owner is paying the utilities on a credit card in rough times, and are constantly whining about you're "right" to health insurance, a dental plan, pensions and a contributory 401K as a good 'Murrican.

Do yourself a favor - go start your own company, and see how cavalier you are about good 'Murricans dipping into your pocket as a matter of right.

737 posted on 08/26/2003 12:03:43 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (This is the fault of outsourcing, offshoring, immigration and PC. We're all doomed.)
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To: jern
Everyone acts like the president can wave the magic wand and make this stop.

To a certain degree he can make a lot of it stop.

738 posted on 08/26/2003 12:06:41 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: JNB
"THis is exactly what we are seeing in this thred. Note the group of people who are making childish remarks, being immature."

Main Entry: clue·less
Pronunciation: 'klü-l&s
Function: adjective
Date: 1862
1 : providing no clue
2 : completely or hopelessly bewildered, unaware, ignorant, or foolish (Editor's note see also JNB)

739 posted on 08/26/2003 12:07:18 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: scottlang
But his handling of the economy and jobs has been horrid.

Do you understand cyclical economic downturns? Do you realize the screams and fears are the same every single time only to be forgotten in the better times a few years later? I don't like Bush's "handling" of the economy only in that he has had to pander to your crowd too much. But I understand the populace he is dealing with so I can forgive him for pandering to win votes if that's what it takes.

740 posted on 08/26/2003 12:07:52 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (We must always keep FR pure and Merchant-rein.)
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