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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- This year's highly publicized job losses in North Carolina manufacturing, including the Pillowtex bankruptcy, could mean trouble next year for President Bush in a region that was a stronghold in 2000.

Bush won more than 56 percent of the vote in both North Carolina and South Carolina in 2000. But his strong support of free trade has turned some against him in the South, where U.S. trade policies are blamed for the loss of jobs in textiles and other manufacturing sectors.

Andy Warlick, chief executive officer of Parkdale Mills in Gaston County, said he doubts he will repeat his 2000 vote for Bush next year.

"He made a lot of promises and he hasn't delivered on any of them," Warlick said. "I've had some firsthand experience of him sending down trade and commerce officials, but they're just photo ops. It's empty rhetoric."

Fred Reese, the president of Western N.C. Industries, an employers' association, said executives are beginning to raise their voices against Bush and are planning education and voter drives.

"We're seeing a new dynamic where the executives and employees are both beginning to see a real threat to their interests. You're going to see people who traditionally voted Republican switch over," Reese predicted.

The hard feelings were on display days after Pillowtex's July 30 bankruptcy filing, when Republican U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes walked into a Kannapolis auditorium to meet with former workers.

"Thanks for sending the jobs overseas, Robin!" shouted Brenda Miller, a longtime worker at the textile giant's Salisbury plant.

In December 2001 Hayes -- who is an heir to the Cannon family textile fortune -- cast the tie-breaking vote to give Bush the authority to negotiate "fast-track" trade agreements, trade treaties that Congress must vote up or down with no amendments.

At the time, Hayes said he won promises from the Bush administration that it would more strictly enforce existing trade agreements and pressure foreign countries to open their markets to U.S. textiles.

"Are we pleased with the way they responded? Absolutely," Hayes said. "Are we satisfied with where we are? Absolutely not."

Jobs in many industries have fled overseas since 1993, when Congress passed the Clinton-backed North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. About half the textile and apparel jobs that existed in 1994 are gone.

Since Bush took office in January 2001, it is estimated North Carolina and South Carolina have lost more than 180,000 manufacturing jobs.

And even more textile jobs could be out the door once quotas on Chinese imports expire at the end of next year.

Republican U.S. Rep. Cass Ballenger voted for NAFTA and fast-track, and has seen his 10th District lose nearly 40,000 jobs, primarily in the textile and furniture industries.

"Certainly, there's a political cost to any controversial vote no matter which side you take," he said. "People are casting stones, but we're trying to pick them up and build something."

Democratic U.S. Sen. John Edwards voted against fast-track in 2002 after voting for an earlier version. In 2000 he voted for permanent normal trade relations with China.

Recently, though, while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Edwards has attacked Bush's trade policies and called for fairer trade measures.

Robert Neal, vice president of the local chapter of the Pillowtex workers' union, said Hayes has worked to try to ease the impact of job losses in his district.

"Though he (Hayes) voted for fast-track, he is really concerned about the workers and their conditions in the state of North Carolina," Neal said.

Not everyone feels that way.

Reese is organizing 1,500 manufacturing companies across North Carolina in an effort to leverage what he calls a new voting bloc.

In South Carolina, voter drives are planned for the first time at Milliken & Co., which has about 30 plants in the state. Mount Vernon Mills of Greenville, S.C., is forming a political action committee.

The company's president Roger Chastain, a one-time Bush voter, doesn't expect to support the president or Jim DeMint, a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Ernest Hollings.

"We're basically liquidating our whole middle class, polarizing people on the two extremes, have and have-nots," Chastain said of the manufacturing job losses. "We'll be a Third World country."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: economy; fasttrack; jobs; manufacturing; nafta; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; pillotex; treetrade
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To: Mad Dawgg; scottlang; All
WOW!!!

560+ replies to this thread...

Once again, the Power of this issue to derail Bush is underestimated!!

As one person said, Homeland Security for him is He and his Wife working to PAY THE MORTGAGE!!!

561 posted on 08/26/2003 8:53:21 AM PDT by Lael (It is time to make "OUTSOURCING" the litmus test!!)
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To: Texas_Dawg; dogbyte12
Sell the stupid computer you are using

You do realize that an observant "merchant" would never ask that much of a debtor:

Deuteronomy 24:6
Do not take a pair of millstones-not even the upper one-as security for a debt, because that would be taking a man's livelihood as security.

So tell me, how does it feeeeel to be a worse "merchant" than a real "merchant"?

562 posted on 08/26/2003 8:58:39 AM PDT by null and void (Are your steel toed jack boots ready to kick anyone who's down? How very "Christian" of you...)
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To: A. Pole
brilliant

This is the same scam that Ben&Jerry pulled. Us poor little old CEOs -- only getting X times the employees. When they decided to retire, they couldn't hire anyone to run the company.

Oh, and this is easily avoided via stock options/awards etc.

563 posted on 08/26/2003 9:00:26 AM PDT by dfrussell
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To: dfrussell
Still, it's interesting to note how many people on a conservative site think this is a great idea.

The appeal to the less politically astute must be overwhelming...

564 posted on 08/26/2003 9:08:43 AM PDT by null and void
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To: scottlang
"I fear this as well. There are lots good about Bush, but he has to manage the economy better. If not he is a one termer. "

To review his 'ignore it' MO.

-Bush ignored Clinton's 95% start on Palestine peace and it got worse.
-Bush ignored the Arab world and we got 9/11. 
-Bush ignored NK and now they are working on the bomb. 
-Bush ignored the economy and we got a crash. 
-Bush ignored employment and we got a job meltdown. 
-Bush ignored post-war Iraq and it got worse.
-Bush ignored 'old Europe' and now they ignore him.
-Bush ignored the budget and now loads future generations with debt.

I don't hold much hope for his 'vision' to improve. The GOP needs a replacement.

565 posted on 08/26/2003 9:23:59 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need BALANCED Trade. We buy from you. You buy from us.)
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To: holdmuhbeer
This issue just keeps popping up.

There is serious discontent out here in flyover country, but the country club republicans in DC haven't noticed.

The RATS are dusting off their "It's the Economy, Stupid" playbooks as we speak.

566 posted on 08/26/2003 9:25:30 AM PDT by snopercod (Our research showed that good grammar is now used only half as much as it was 10 years ago.)
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To: snopercod
The RATS are dusting off their "It's the Economy, Stupid" playbooks as we speak.

This is the only way they can win. They do what it takes to win.
567 posted on 08/26/2003 9:26:43 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: ex-snook
"I fear this as well. There are lots good about Bush, but he has to manage the economy better. If not he is a one termer. "

To review his 'ignore it' MO.

-Bush ignored Clinton's 95% start on Palestine peace and it got worse.
-Bush ignored the Arab world and we got 9/11.
-Bush ignored NK and now they are working on the bomb.
-Bush ignored the economy and we got a crash.
-Bush ignored employment and we got a job meltdown.
-Bush ignored post-war Iraq and it got worse.
-Bush ignored 'old Europe' and now they ignore him.
-Bush ignored the budget and now loads future generations with debt.
I don't hold much hope for his 'vision' to improve. The GOP needs a replacement.


If a true Ronald Reagan conservative would run they would enjoy my whole hearted support in about one nanosecond.
568 posted on 08/26/2003 9:28:21 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: Chancellor Palpatine

569 posted on 08/26/2003 9:28:51 AM PDT by mac_truck (ain't no time to wonder why, whoopie we're all gonna die)
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To: snopercod
what is a bush-bot-please excuse my ignorance
570 posted on 08/26/2003 9:40:49 AM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ROTFLMAO)
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To: harpseal
Great Ideas!

I would start a business today if your ideas were in place.
571 posted on 08/26/2003 9:42:56 AM PDT by opusprime
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To: SouthParkRepublican
In most instances outsourcing overseas does not mean lower consumer prices.

If the prices aren't lower, then why can't the domestic producers compete in the marketplace? What's all the talk about 'dumping' goods, etc?

The result is typically higher profit margins for the outsourcing companies.

Profits in all industries tend toward 6% (short of government mandated monopolies). Higher profits encourage more producers to enter the market, lower profits tend to kill off less efficient producers. Capital is fleeing the United States because the tax and regulatory burden is squeezing it out. If a business can't remain profitable in the U.S., it's going to go overseas, or go away. You can't trap capital, human or otherwise, with a Berlin Wall. Commies already went that route, it didn't work. Look what is happening in CA. People (and capital and thus businesses) are fleeing the wreck their government has made of the economy with taxes and regulations. Is the answer to California's problem the ability to impose a tariff on any good imported to the state? Do you think that would help them, or discourage further investment? Keep in mind, the U.S. has long been the recipient of capital from the rest of the world. We rely on it to fund investment in the capital goods that make our people the world's most productive. If the government takes away that advantage with taxes and regulations, people elsewhere in the world will find somewhere else to invest. If we keep devaluing the dollar, they'll do anyway just to protect their savings.

572 posted on 08/26/2003 9:43:10 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: snopercod
she's deeply concerned press reports say
573 posted on 08/26/2003 9:45:56 AM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ROTFLMAO)
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To: My2Cents
if many 2000 bush voters don't vote it may go to dean by default
574 posted on 08/26/2003 9:46:59 AM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ROTFLMAO)
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To: yall
WOO HOOO!!!

My old boss, the one who let me work 3 months longer for a 50% paycut, wants me to do some consulting!

We're going to dicker about the rate this afternoon. He wants very low, I want enough to survive.

Apparently two of the three H1-B's he replaced me with didn't work out...

He also expects me to work on a patent application for free. Since my name is primary on the patent, and we have a royalty sharing agreement in place, I'm inclined to do it.

No money for it now, but a hope for some in the future...

575 posted on 08/26/2003 9:52:43 AM PDT by null and void (Life's good!)
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To: null and void
If the truth about how often H1bs and outsourcing screw up. This would not be nearly as big a problem. You get what you pay for.
576 posted on 08/26/2003 9:57:03 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: y2k_free_radical
what is a bush-bot-please excuse my ignorance

It is the inverse of a Clintonista. No matter what, the President is always right. Or if they are wrong, it doesn't matter. For Clintonistas, it was ok for Chinagate, filegate, monicagate, etc.. None of it was true, but if it was true, so what, Clinton is so dreamy.

For Bushbots: So what about the artic, Saudi Arabia supporting terrorists, assault weapons ban, the economy, Ted Kennedy's education bill, no tort reform, no standing up for judges. None of that exists, and if it does, it doesn't matter.

Most americans are neither Clintonistas or Bushbots. We accept that they are both politicians with flaws. Those of us on the right side of the aisle as a rule, vote for Bush because he is better than the alternative. A Clintonista or a Bushbot worship the ground their hero walks on.

It's the same with everybody though. There are Nader fans who are convinced the sun won't rise in the morning til Ralph does. While there are greens who like him but find him very flawed. There are also Ron-Bot's, who believe Ron Paul is the most brilliant man in the universe, and don't question his votes on Iraq, or whatever.

Basically we are talking about sycophants. I find it disturbing if it's done towards a politician, an athlete or a celebrity. You have a choice of deluding yourself, or having your hopes dashed when you worship a man, who is flawed like the rest of us.

577 posted on 08/26/2003 10:00:10 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Texas_Dawg
I'm not complaining about having a job. My husband has one, but he is about to lose it along with 50 other people.

Unfortunately, the job market is such that he will probably have to take a 30-50% pay cut to get another software job.

My husband has patents from his software engineering, but that is irrelevant in this time.

Companies are hiring cheap engineers from India. My husband sat next to an Indian woman on an airplane last week. She could barely speak english, but she has a job at Sun. Her husband has a job at some other high tech company. She's not worried about her job.

I may have to go back to work if my husband loses his job. How is that good? Who's going to take care of my children? Thank God, my youngest daughters start 1st grade this year. Homeschooling certainly won't be an option because I'll be working. We won't be able to afford a private school. My husband and I will be working to pay our mortgage and put food on the table and clothes on our backs. That's a lot worse than how I was raised.
578 posted on 08/26/2003 10:00:20 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: y2k_free_radical
If many of the 2000 Bush voters don't vote, you get what you deserve. Unfortunately, you take the rest of the nation down with you.
579 posted on 08/26/2003 10:00:52 AM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: luckystarmom
Why aren't the Indians worried about their jobs?

Sorry to hear about your husband's job loss. What do you want George Bush and the federal government to do about that?

580 posted on 08/26/2003 10:04:45 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (We must always keep FR pure and Merchant-rein.)
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