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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- This year's highly publicized job losses in North Carolina manufacturing, including the Pillowtex bankruptcy, could mean trouble next year for President Bush in a region that was a stronghold in 2000.

Bush won more than 56 percent of the vote in both North Carolina and South Carolina in 2000. But his strong support of free trade has turned some against him in the South, where U.S. trade policies are blamed for the loss of jobs in textiles and other manufacturing sectors.

Andy Warlick, chief executive officer of Parkdale Mills in Gaston County, said he doubts he will repeat his 2000 vote for Bush next year.

"He made a lot of promises and he hasn't delivered on any of them," Warlick said. "I've had some firsthand experience of him sending down trade and commerce officials, but they're just photo ops. It's empty rhetoric."

Fred Reese, the president of Western N.C. Industries, an employers' association, said executives are beginning to raise their voices against Bush and are planning education and voter drives.

"We're seeing a new dynamic where the executives and employees are both beginning to see a real threat to their interests. You're going to see people who traditionally voted Republican switch over," Reese predicted.

The hard feelings were on display days after Pillowtex's July 30 bankruptcy filing, when Republican U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes walked into a Kannapolis auditorium to meet with former workers.

"Thanks for sending the jobs overseas, Robin!" shouted Brenda Miller, a longtime worker at the textile giant's Salisbury plant.

In December 2001 Hayes -- who is an heir to the Cannon family textile fortune -- cast the tie-breaking vote to give Bush the authority to negotiate "fast-track" trade agreements, trade treaties that Congress must vote up or down with no amendments.

At the time, Hayes said he won promises from the Bush administration that it would more strictly enforce existing trade agreements and pressure foreign countries to open their markets to U.S. textiles.

"Are we pleased with the way they responded? Absolutely," Hayes said. "Are we satisfied with where we are? Absolutely not."

Jobs in many industries have fled overseas since 1993, when Congress passed the Clinton-backed North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. About half the textile and apparel jobs that existed in 1994 are gone.

Since Bush took office in January 2001, it is estimated North Carolina and South Carolina have lost more than 180,000 manufacturing jobs.

And even more textile jobs could be out the door once quotas on Chinese imports expire at the end of next year.

Republican U.S. Rep. Cass Ballenger voted for NAFTA and fast-track, and has seen his 10th District lose nearly 40,000 jobs, primarily in the textile and furniture industries.

"Certainly, there's a political cost to any controversial vote no matter which side you take," he said. "People are casting stones, but we're trying to pick them up and build something."

Democratic U.S. Sen. John Edwards voted against fast-track in 2002 after voting for an earlier version. In 2000 he voted for permanent normal trade relations with China.

Recently, though, while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Edwards has attacked Bush's trade policies and called for fairer trade measures.

Robert Neal, vice president of the local chapter of the Pillowtex workers' union, said Hayes has worked to try to ease the impact of job losses in his district.

"Though he (Hayes) voted for fast-track, he is really concerned about the workers and their conditions in the state of North Carolina," Neal said.

Not everyone feels that way.

Reese is organizing 1,500 manufacturing companies across North Carolina in an effort to leverage what he calls a new voting bloc.

In South Carolina, voter drives are planned for the first time at Milliken & Co., which has about 30 plants in the state. Mount Vernon Mills of Greenville, S.C., is forming a political action committee.

The company's president Roger Chastain, a one-time Bush voter, doesn't expect to support the president or Jim DeMint, a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Ernest Hollings.

"We're basically liquidating our whole middle class, polarizing people on the two extremes, have and have-nots," Chastain said of the manufacturing job losses. "We'll be a Third World country."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: economy; fasttrack; jobs; manufacturing; nafta; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; pillotex; treetrade
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To: Mad Dawgg
Globalism obviously hasn't helped Mexico at all --- but Fox was quite a dictator about forcing it on them. It's all coming unwound. We may not like the turn they've made --- plus can we keep Revolution in Mexico?
1,041 posted on 08/26/2003 8:51:49 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ARCADIA
You forgot the AMT.
1,042 posted on 08/26/2003 8:53:00 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: null and void
"BTW, she HATES Texas"

Ouch! Is this where the fireworks start?

1,043 posted on 08/26/2003 8:53:21 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Mad Dawgg
Hell before you know it Wal-mart will have the Mexican Donkey Milkers Jobs outsourced to India and then where will they all be!

And you can laugh at the plight of the Mexican people and the serious blows that NAFTA and globalism has made to their economy --- but what happens over there could affect us also.

1,044 posted on 08/26/2003 8:54:07 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: sweetliberty
ROTFL..
1,045 posted on 08/26/2003 8:54:58 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (My Doc said I'm paranoid, and gave me pills. I don't take them cuz I think he's trying to kill me...)
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To: scottlang
This issue is snowballing with people on the street as well as in this forum. The party that offers a solution will stand a excellent chance in 2004.

Yup. Every problem has a solution that is simple, straight foreward, seductive, and WRONG.

Too bad most voters don't see the last bit until way after the elcetion...

1,046 posted on 08/26/2003 8:58:24 PM PDT by null and void
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To: PGalt
I also have 2 jobs --- I don't think I'll be out of work ---- but it's like third world countries such as Mexico --10% of the population might be doing extremely well --- but it's still a third world country if 80% are barely making it. We're not there yet but it seems to be the direction we're going. So what if you or I make it in the top 10%

Again --- it might be okay if wages do drop to the 1960's level for most people --- as long as housing, automobile, gasoline, food, and all the rest drops to those levels also --- we'd still have a middle class --- but with wages dropping to $6-7 an hour but gasoline at $2 a gallon and home prices at $100,000?

1,047 posted on 08/26/2003 9:01:44 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Texas_Dawg
Haha. A "solution"? You mean that is convincing enough in its pandering to economically retarded people?

Ye Gods! You got it!!!

I don't disagree with you that people vote the economy. But that has nothing to do with understanding economics. That being said, this economy will be fine enough in 2004 for George W. Bush to win easily.

*sigh* You don't get it.

It already is right now.

Maybe on your planet...

1,048 posted on 08/26/2003 9:03:44 PM PDT by null and void
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To: WOSG
"DONT WORRY BE HAPPY - THE OUTSOURCING IDEA MAY NOT BE SUCH BIG COST-SAVINGS ..."

You is preaching to the choir buddy!

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Of course, these guys were all outsourced on these tech lines so I decided to drop Gateway and try Dell. On a whim, I called their tech line and sure enough, I ran into the same damned thing.

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1,049 posted on 08/26/2003 9:03:57 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: null and void
I think our own politicians need to look at what happened in Mexico with those elections. Fox has crammed globalism down their throats, he refused to renegociate NAFTA --- but the coward was of course quite frightened by the campesino's protests last January. Mexico is a democracy --- so the elections showed him what the people think --- and Fox's PAN party lost 25% of their seats.
1,050 posted on 08/26/2003 9:03:57 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
"And you can laugh at the plight of the Mexican people and the serious blows that NAFTA and globalism has made to their economy"

Bwah hahahahahah what economy? Tourist trade, Pot Growing, Narcotics?

That is rich.

1,051 posted on 08/26/2003 9:07:09 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: 1rudeboy
But wait! I thought that's where our high-paying jobs are going!

That was one of the biggest globalist/free trade lies we were told --- that Mexico would quickly become middle class, immigration to the USA would end because they'd have all these great jobs in Mexico. Instead millions of Mexicans lost their homes and jobs and are risking death to get over the border, the Mexican economy is doing very poorly with factories shutting down on them daily.

They asked Fox to renegociate NAFTA --- he refused thinking he's some kind of globalist dictator, so the people spoke in July. Fox and the PAN party are history.

1,052 posted on 08/26/2003 9:09:17 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Mad Dawgg
The wonderful NAFTA/free trade/globalist economy.
1,053 posted on 08/26/2003 9:10:28 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
"Mexico is a democracy --- so the elections showed him what the people think"

Interesting: Read this thread and tell me what you think of it.

1,054 posted on 08/26/2003 9:12:03 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I agree with that article in that thread ---- and I like the system the Founding Fathers set up for us here. Yes I believe in the Republic with it's modified democracy. But that doesn't change the will of the people in Mexico was to reject NAFTA/globalism and Fox's party. It's the economy stupid?
1,055 posted on 08/26/2003 9:15:50 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: MEGoody; luckystarmom
The cost of living in Silicon Valley. ~ luckystarmom

I'm assuming you'd consider moving to a less expensive area of the country if your hubby lost his job? ~ MEGoody

I can't speak for luckystarmom or her hubby, but, I'm considering it. In the short term it might be a "good" move.

HOWEVER: the high cost of replacement housing, and the penalty of resetting the Prop 13 base line for taxes would make it a one way trip.

The industry is cyclical, when it is good there is quite literaly nowhere on earth with more opportunity.

I'd be moving from an area with hundreds of potential employers to an only-game-in-town single employer town. That worked really well for the Pillowtex employees, didn't it?

1,056 posted on 08/26/2003 9:16:33 PM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
If we move, we might rent our house. We bought our house 11 years ago, and we have a lot of equity in it.

If we move, I think we could afford to rent our current house and then buy another one in a cheaper part of the country.

If a job in another part of the country doesn't work out, then we still have our Silicon Valley home. We love our neighborhood, and I'd hate to be priced out of it by moving to a cheaper area where homes don't increase in value as much.
1,057 posted on 08/26/2003 9:21:11 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Wondervixen
Lemme get this straight...

NAFTA was passed on CLINTON'S watch, yet when the bottom finally falls out on BUSH'S watch, the disenfranchised voters want to make HIM pay by voting for a Clintonista?

BINGO! we have a winna!!!

Sadly, that is exactly what will happen, then the dems will run against Dubya for decades, just like they did with Hoover, and Nixon.

No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the masses.

All that counts is who's left standing when the music stops...

1,058 posted on 08/26/2003 9:22:28 PM PDT by null and void
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To: FITZ
"But that doesn't change the will of the people in Mexico was to reject NAFTA/globalism and Fox's party. It's the economy stupid?"

But what was the economy like in Mexicao before NAFTA? Surely you do not believe that NAFTA caused all the migration of Mexicans north do you? I mean do you think it was the implementation of free health care and schooling for illegals.

Hell I can remember watching illegals run over the border when I was on vacation in the west back in 1978. What part of NaAFTA was in place then?

1,059 posted on 08/26/2003 9:22:48 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: luckystarmom
"If we move, we might rent our house. We bought our house 11 years ago, and we have a lot of equity in it."

Now that is the type of Freepers that I've grown to love and cherish.

Adapt, innovate, overcome!

1,060 posted on 08/26/2003 9:26:25 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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