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McClintock Facing Republican Threats?
Belly of the Beast Blog ^ | August 24, 2004 | Eric Hogue

Posted on 08/24/2003 1:47:41 PM PDT by Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ

Now that Bill Simon has left the building, State Senator Tom McClintock currenlty has the 'only growing campaign'. I'm reading the LA Times article on Simon's departure this morning and I find this nugget of political muscle.

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To: Dog Gone; JohnnyZ; Theodore R.; Nathaniel Fischer; AuH2ORepublican; LdSentinal; Kuksool; Coop; ...
"That's a good point. Issa would make a good candidate, and the GOP owes him one."

I laugh when people suggest that Simon thinks he can take down Barbra Boxer - Boxer will eat Simple Simon alive if he's stupid enough to try to fight her.
141 posted on 08/24/2003 5:19:30 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: BushCountry
Quit with the false information. You've been told that McClintock worked for the National Tax Limitation Committee, a great organization. Either you don't read the posts to you--- or you believe in LYING?? Which is it??
142 posted on 08/24/2003 5:21:24 PM PDT by sruleoflaw
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To: SunStar
Even Bill Simon didn't endorse Schwarzenegger

If McClintock is still running at less than 15% in the polls in the days just prior to the election, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him endorse Schwarzenegger in some fashion.

He might not, simply because of the difference in abortion stands, but the truth is that there won't be any more abortions under Schwarzenegger than under Davis or Bustamante.

The ability of the states to prevent them is extremely limited. Wasn't it Nebraska whose anti-partial birth abortion bill was struck down?

143 posted on 08/24/2003 5:22:17 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dan from Michigan
The WH is doing the same with Affirm Action up here in Michigan(even though it is HATED here).

May I say to various freepers, "I told you so ... for over 4 years?"

Cheers,

Richard F.

144 posted on 08/24/2003 5:22:32 PM PDT by rdf
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To: SunStar
McClintock was the first Republican to announce his candidacy. Stop the lies.

gee, and I thought it was Issa.
145 posted on 08/24/2003 5:22:56 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Have you bombed your friendly neighborhood terrorists today?)
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To: Pubbie
If Tom's numbers surpass AS in a sustainable poll (that means more than one outlayer by a reputable firm) yes, I will.

As to Tom's numbers being 18% I'm sorry, I don't believe that. It's only one poll that has the 12% figure, all others have him at 5% to 6%. You are also making the assumption that all of Simon's supporters will go for Tom. Considering the fact that Tom doesn't have the financial backing that Simon had, that's not a good assumption.

146 posted on 08/24/2003 5:26:48 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: kellynla
the upside is that McClintock who is an intelligent, principled man with credentials will clean up the mess in Sacramento

Exactly.

Cheers,

Richard F.

147 posted on 08/24/2003 5:27:00 PM PDT by rdf
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To: Congressman Billybob
Arnold for Governor and Tom for Lt. Governor. Both ask Bustamante to resign if he loses the race for Governor. If, as expected, Bustamante refuses to resign, Governor Schwarenegger then assigns him an office next to (or in) the executive washroom, with one phone line and one secretary.

You can't be serious...You are serious?

NOT LEGAL.

More importantly, the Lt Gov in CA has positively no legislative power or influence already, you could make Bustamante the leader of the excutive washroom now and nothing would change. There is only one way to solve CA's problems, Supply Side Reaganomics. Think of it as the only real thing "for the children" a Governor should be doing.


148 posted on 08/24/2003 5:27:58 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Stop Dividing the Republican base; vote McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
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To: rdf
I held my nose when I voted for him.
149 posted on 08/24/2003 5:28:20 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Boom Boom! Out go the lights!" - Pat Travers)
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To: SunStar
McClintock was the first Republican to announce his candidacy. Stop the lies.

I'm a little sick of the rudeness around here. No wonder Tom has so few supporters. Even on a very conservative board, he's only drawing about half. Doesn't that tell you something about how he's going to do with the rest of the state?

Keep it up guys, you're doing a great job of sinking your candidate.

150 posted on 08/24/2003 5:29:36 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Dog Gone; JohnnyZ; Theodore R.; Nathaniel Fischer; AuH2ORepublican; LdSentinal; Kuksool; Coop; ...
"If McClintock is still running at less than 15% in the polls in the days just prior to the election"

The new LA Times poll had Simon and McClintock's combined numbers at 18%, while the (older) field Poll had their combined strenth at 17%.

In the LA times poll, Arnold was stuck at 22%, while the Field poll had him at 21%.

Since McClintock (With Simon out) is probably only a couple of points away I think it is WAY too early to be asking Tom to drop out.
151 posted on 08/24/2003 5:29:51 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
So did I. But I did vote for him, and asked others to do so too.
152 posted on 08/24/2003 5:29:58 PM PDT by rdf
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To: Hangtown
"Plus, other than Freepers and a small minority of conservatives and republicans, Kalifornia is populated by a huge amount of basically stupid people. "

It works every time. Call someone stupid, and they won't like you very well.

So you, as a conservative claim the rest of Californians are stupid. Two things happen,

...they don't like you,

...and they don't vote for you.

Read some good material about how to win friends, influence people.

A successful politician faces tasks including raising money, persuading donors and voters to LIKE him etc.

McClintock needs smarter supporters. Ones that don't call Californians stupid!!

That's where the (political) stupidity rests!!

California conservatives need to go study the Reagan concepts, such as...

11th Commandment for Republicans: "Never speak ill of a fellow Republican."

another was about accepting someone he could agree with
75 - 80% of the time.
153 posted on 08/24/2003 5:34:48 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Pubbie
"That's a good point. Issa would make a good candidate, and the GOP owes him one."

I agree about Simon, and ISSA would fare even more poorly against Boxer. He was polarizing before he jumped into the recall and his negatives must be through the roof now. The way to beat Boxer is run a likeable compassionate conservative; Californians are ready to vote against Boxer but they need an alternative who's competent, who doesn't "scare them", who smiles and is optimistic.

154 posted on 08/24/2003 5:35:43 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I don't know but I been told - Eskimo ***** is mighty cold - Tastes good - Mm good)
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To: rdf
the upside is that McClintock who is an intelligent, principled man with credentials will clean up the mess in Sacramento
The COMPLETE quote should be:
the upside is that McClintock who is an intelligent, principled man with credentials will clean up the mess in Sacramento - if he could get elected.
Just as:
Pigs could do some pretty AMAZING things - if they had wings.

155 posted on 08/24/2003 5:35:45 PM PDT by RonDog (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: Pubbie
There's 6 weeks left.

In 90, some unknown state senator was trailing sitting governor Jim Blanchard by 20-30 points most of the campaign. It was 12% the weekend before. This guy could not break 38% in his campaign(2 way race). He was a tax and budget hawk. He wasn't charasmatic and was a plain speaker and called it as he saw it.

The Detroit News editorial says it was over.

On election day, the polls had him down by 6 or 7% midday...
But something strange happened....all of a sudden it dropped to 2%. Late that night, Blanchard was called the winner, but the votes were still being counted....Detroit didn't have the turnout expected.

At 4AM, the votes were counted, and that unknown state senator was declared the winner by 17,000 votes. That man was John Engler, and he was one of the best governors we had(his first two terms especially).

156 posted on 08/24/2003 5:36:47 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Boom Boom! Out go the lights!" - Pat Travers)
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To: RonDog
John Engler could only win Michigan if pigs flew....they flew.
157 posted on 08/24/2003 5:37:53 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Boom Boom! Out go the lights!" - Pat Travers)
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge
I don't disagree with ANY of his platform. I think he's a great guy, I just don't think he can get the job done.

He's been around for years, he's known the truth for years, he's known the solution for years, but he has been unable to get the job done. Becoming governor will not change a thing. He'll have the Bully Pulpit but that's about all. As to political power, he won't have any more than he has had for years.

Simple fact is, you can have all the ideas in the world, and you can be 100% right on, but if you can't get through the door, you won't get the sale.

If Tom were a leader, he would have made a difference in California's position already and he'd be campaigning on his accomplishments, not on what he thinks he can do. That's one of the drawbacks of having political "experience". It means you've been there, and you have to stand on your accomplishments. He was unable to convince the legislature right up to now. Having his title change is not going to do anything about that. It's not like anyone is going to get a landslide mandate.

The thing about AS is that he already has the power players on his side. None of us like Buffett, but the fact is the man is a real heavyweight in the bond market. Remember, if you don't get financing in one year they're going to padlock California. The same with Shultz, he's a real heavyweight, he can open doors.

The reason you see the business community lining up behind AS is because they know this.

158 posted on 08/24/2003 5:38:06 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: JohnnyZ
I don't know if Issa was THAT polarizing.

I don't know if you should dismiss Issa so quickly, our bench isn't that deep in California, and I don't see too many other people that could run a decent campaign against Boxer.

Would you prefer if Bill Jones ran?
159 posted on 08/24/2003 5:38:46 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
Mr Hogue, I am pleased to see you put forth something I have been interested in for weeks. I have a different take on these "unseen forces" in the Republican party. Hear me out.

We are getting more stories about "Republicans" and "The GOP" urging McClintock that he must drop out here in August, than about the budget deficit. What is VERY -how shall I say- different about these "news" stories is that they do not name who the "Republicans" or "The GOP" is making these phone calls to Tom that they are basing the story on. Another very journaliticly uncommon aspect is the failure to pick the same telephone device and call these 2 for confirmation or denial.

Why isn't anyone else seeing this for what it is? First I had to fight so many on FR about whether the recall would qualify, now this movie star sitting duck, *sigh* I'm not bitter; These stories are coming straight from the desk of Bob Mulholund, Gary South, and Art Torres. The last thing in the government subsidized world they want to do is use their shocking dirt against (R)nold Buffet only to have the numbers of McClintock rise and become a favorite. That is the worst possible situation for the Democrates, you know it, I know it, and most of all they know it. Their quest, to put for all of the "rallying" BS in August, force Tom to be hated and ostresized within the Party. He doesn't even have to drop out as long as he's hated and called "selfish". After all, "Republicans" are telling him to for "the party". Then aproximately Sept 23rd and after (the two week period, their Standard Operating Procedure) they can release things about (R)nold that will no one here want to vote, much less for him, and Davis survives or "N-Word" wins. Tom McClintock, for all you (R)nold lovers/McClintock haters, is the best shield Conan ever had against the dirt coming out. Its so painfully obvious. God Bless the internet that I have a forum to share.

Incedentally, why are the numbers of the "lock" candidate 44% negative for a non incumbent? Could it be CA voters don't want to be a laughingstock voting for some movie guy? His cliched shtick has peaked at 20%, while Tom continues to rise as people learn of him.


160 posted on 08/24/2003 5:42:54 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Stop Dividing the Republican base; vote McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
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