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FOX NEWS: ALABAMA TEN COMMANDMENTS JUDGE SUSPENDED...
Drudge Report ^ | 08/22/03 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 08/22/2003 2:40:17 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: AndrewC
a = an aeiou
841 posted on 08/23/2003 9:56:46 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Dog Gone
Agreed.

842 posted on 08/23/2003 10:22:07 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: WOSG
Boy, SOG......that was a zinger. I bet Arnie is still reeling.

Nail hit squarely on head with 20 pound sledgehammer.
843 posted on 08/23/2003 11:30:46 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Pop in on Childrens T.V. programming and teens..weekdays and weekends.

Not a word...not even a hint of a Creator.

But alot of power imagry...orbs flying around peoples heads...energy bolts flying from Eye Balls....Incantations....body Tatooing.

Then we can delve into the "Subcutinous Implant"....imagry.

This starts up again around 3:00 PM...then the News run..an behold..at 7:00 pm,
The Homosexual/Gay programming begins..[most are comedies..so you will Laugh while the Gays flit about]

Hardly a word about God all day..except in the Gay programming...strange that God gets encorporated into the Humor..[Or is is designed so]

The 10 Commandments and Judge Moore.

Doubtfull this will rival anything like "Rorkes Drift" valiant stand...Guadalcanal etc.

Why does it seem like WW-2 was the last time period when anything made sense..when people worked as one for their Freedom?

A quick read thru the Hebrew narrative reveals a people carted off to oblivion..crying by the River Bank of a foreign land.

No math needed on this one...the Jew has been banished..bludgeeoned and nearly obliterated frmo the face of the Earth...yet they remain with us..they are actually back in their old environs...and they still hold to the Law from so very Long ago.

If the [Law] was what mattered..Israel would never have been defeated or disburssed to the four winds...for we all know how the Jewish people observe the Law with passion.

They got handed over..why?..if they were to obey..they did..so why?

I doubt the Creator is hurting for attention..or is an aspireing novelist working thru abstracts to get the perfect action,drama romance Book for us to read.

So it seems that ** If God exists..this entity requires more than obedience to Law as foundation.

I think it is very much like the Hebrew narratives convey..its a relationship...first personal..then national.

God screams and vents in frustration thru the entire Book we know as the Bible.

Appeal upon appeal to Adam to return..to come back..to stay awhile.

The free will reality kicks in..the final proof of Love.
The Creator simply lets Adam go off to his/her other Gods.

Theres an intersting analogy in the story of Abraham and Lot.

Both are prospering..land and economic concerns become a pressing issue...Abraham goes on way..Lot another.

A few paragraphs later...Lot is very much trapped in the City of Sodom.

Lot heads to the plains near Sodom cuz **He knows its a better PC move.
Abraham heads of to dusty wastes....something about the Sodom region tells him the move that way is trouble.
Soon Lot and his family are about to be done in the nightly orgies.
In Sodom,,,everybody takes it up the Kazoo...no deferments here.

The systems final social act is to brutalize your humanity.

As far as North America..the Western world,..the brutalizing is on in so many ways.

Soon..that Verichip bus will not be comming around to do demo's..but the real deal will occur.

The Children..Gramma and Grandpa..they will be chipped first ..Insurance companies and Liberal concern groups will see to that.

The Economic base...the "Worker"..the 20-40- then ..discard group.
They will be chipped too..under different social influence..like Money concerns and employment.

Unless a Crisis ocurs soon..which shatters the common folks perception of security and future hope...a crisis where the people see.[Eye's open]..That they are doomed if they do not rally and fight...the inevitable will occur.

In just a few hundred years...God has been nearly erased from our social conscience.

Soon the enslavement will come....ADAM will gather and cry beside some river....reflecting on how he abdicated common sense..for personal persuit.

Like before...God will simply let Adam go to his other Gods.

Adam will be brutalized by his choice...in his bondage..he will cry.

History does repeat itself...often.

844 posted on 08/23/2003 11:33:45 AM PDT by Light Speed
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
I know the way that the defenders of the ten commandments in the courtroom should look at this.
They should claim it as a historical artifact...something that reflects are culture.

On the supreme court building (on the East pediment) there is a statue of Moses, confucius, and solon(a law giver of Athens). Now see here, the UNITED STATES GOVERNMNET IS PROMOTING CONFUCIUISM (or however you would spell it). More specifically the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT is promoting ancestral worship.

http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/washdc/supremecrt/supremecrt.html

2:24 Confucius said: "To worship to other than one's own ancestral spirits is brown-nosing. If you see what is right and fail to act on it, you lack courage."

http://www.human.toyogakuen-u.ac.jp/~acmuller/contao/analects.htm

That is just one quote I found from Confucius that talks about worshiping your ancestors.

So we either have to take down the statue of Moses , Confucius, and Solon on the the East pediment of the Supreme Court Building, or judge that having such momunments is not a promotion of religion.

845 posted on 08/23/2003 12:02:08 PM PDT by Gdzine
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To: tutstar
"As to your 2nd statement, you don't respect other's beliefs or you wouldn't be so anti-Judge Moore. "

Indeed, if you tolerate others views, let Judge Moore do his thing and you do your thing.

This is about small-minded nincompoops ethnicly cleansing the public square of religious sentiment.
846 posted on 08/23/2003 1:10:50 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: sinkspur
"I don't hate southern evangelists, unless Robert Tilton is your idea of a southern evangelist."

Tilton is a supposed evangelist, and Moore is from the South, where he is supported by a large constituency of evangelicals.

I can't read your mind, but I can add 2+2.

Simply put, why confuse the messenger with the message and the Big Picture?

847 posted on 08/23/2003 1:15:31 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Shhhh...Watch and Listen -- The New World (State) Order is trying sneak in through the back door.)
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To: F16Fighter
Simply put, why confuse the messenger with the message and the Big Picture?

I didn't. I didn't mention Moore in my post about southern evangelists. You, however, did. It appears you're making some sinister connection, not me.

848 posted on 08/23/2003 1:17:41 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: ArneFufkin
Get serious, the Sikh sees a Christian monument, he's going "Oooooh, what trouble I am in, what trouble I am in."

Sorry, but you're just plain wrong. Sikhs recognize just about all of the Judaistic morality enshrined in the 10 commandments; your example was a very bad one.

This is indefensible.

Your position, perhaps. Having obviously known far more Sikhs than you, I am confident that they don't feel any of your "ooooh, what trouble I am in" at all; all the ones I know follow the 10 commandments a whole lot more than most Christians I know.

849 posted on 08/23/2003 1:18:22 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: WOSG
Indeed, if you tolerate others views, let Judge Moore do his thing and you do your thing.

It is Judge Moore who is intolerant of other beliefs, and, as an official of the State of Alabama, he simply is not free to "do his thing."

He can believe whatever he wants personally, but he cannot sanction a particular religious expression.

850 posted on 08/23/2003 1:20:05 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Show me.

Here, in the US Constitution:

by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven

Of course, such usage isn't relevant to any preceeding section of the Constitution (or to the particular argument on this thread), but it does show "Once-Ler"'s "irrefutable" comment as being hyperbole.

851 posted on 08/23/2003 1:25:41 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Once-Ler
If you had a point worth making, you would be making it instead of playing a child's game of "I know something that you don't know."

Ok; I'll use small words so you can understand. Your comment using "irrefutable" was wrong, because of the fact that the Constitution still mentions Jesus, just not by proper name.

Go back to the sandbox kid.

Hey, I just figured I would give you a chance to correct your own error before doing it for you. It's not my fault you've never actually read the Constitution in full.

852 posted on 08/23/2003 1:28:40 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: sinkspur
Me:"Indeed, if you tolerate others views, let Judge Moore do his thing and you do your thing."

You:"He can believe whatever he wants personally, but he cannot sanction a particular religious expression."

You are making an improper command out of your opinion.
That is not what the Constitution commands, nor any particular Federal of state law. Sanctioning an expression so far far far from establishment of religion.
Particular non-coercive religious expressions can be and should be part of the public life of this nation.
853 posted on 08/23/2003 1:29:54 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: sinkspur
"It appears you're making some sinister connection, not me."

I wouldn't characterize it as "sinister," just obvious.

854 posted on 08/23/2003 1:45:45 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Shhhh...Watch and Listen -- The New World (State) Order is trying sneak in through the back door.)
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To: B Knotts
Can an appointed Judge be recalled somehow?
855 posted on 08/23/2003 2:21:23 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...maybe this sad news will push for such a possibility of recalling an appointee)
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To: wardaddy
I think we are on the same page. I think the general point is that it is deeper than faith v. non-faith, it goes to a belief in absolutes in morality v. a belief in relative morality and the 'morality of the will'. The left is on the latter. In this fight, certain moralistic humanists and various religions should be common brothers against the 'barbarian' hordes of the leftists and amoralists. (And IMHO, abortion is a good example; isnt human life a worthy value irrespective of whether it is God-endowed with a soul? so why kill the unborn?)

FYI, the Balt Sun had an online editorial on this 10 Commandment matter. I didnt like it, it towed the usual Liberal line.

I summarized my thinking from all the thread in an opinion reply to them:






The 10 Commandment monument that Judge Moore made for his courthouse should
be allowed to stay, and should other Ten Commandement displays throught the
country that the ACLU is suing to remove. They are all just as
permissible as the 10 Commandment seals that are on doors today
in the US Supreme Court building. It does not at all violate the
Establishment clause ("Congress shall make no law respecting
the establishment of religion"), for there is no establishment
of religion here.
It does not force or coerce any belief nor demand agreement, it harms
noone, and it properly informs in a historically significant way that indeed
faith in God is a part of our legal heritage.

Indeed, what impermissible sect or religion is being advanced in
Moore's monument, when it has quotes from the Declaration of
Independence, George Washington, the Pledge of Allegiance, and
first Supreme Court Justice John Jay?

Liberal activist Judges have manhandled the Constitution lately, and in the
name of "separation of church and state" (a term not even in the
Constitution) have tried to divorce religious expression from the public
arena. This is bad Constitutional law and bad for our society.
It is in the spirit of our Bill of Rights and consistent with the actions of the founding fathers, to properly allows for official recognition of our faith heritage and public
expression of religious sentiment in voluntary, non-coercive ways.
Removing this monument and repressing this expression
does not advance freedom, but diminishes it.

856 posted on 08/23/2003 2:39:24 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Technogeeb
it does show "Once-Ler"'s "irrefutable" comment as being hyperbole.

Very Good! Thank you for correcting me.

857 posted on 08/23/2003 2:47:29 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican and Bushbot)
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To: sinkspur
 
SECTION 1 http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/CA-245532.htm

Equality and rights of men.

That all men are equally free and independent; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


SECTION 2  http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/CA-245533.htm
People source of power.

That all political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit; and that, therefore, they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to change their form of government in such manner as they may deem expedient. 


SECTION 3    http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/CA-245534.htm

Religious freedom.

That no religion shall be established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; that no one shall be compelled by law to attend any place of worship; nor to pay any tithes, taxes, or other rate for building or repairing any place of worship, or for maintaining any minister or ministry; that no religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this state; and that the civil rights, privileges, and capacities of any citizen shall not be in any manner affected by his religious principles[except Judge Moore's]


SECTION 13 http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/CA-245544.htm

Courts to be open; remedies for all injuries; impartiality of justice.

That all courts shall be open; and that every person, for any injury done him, in his lands, goods, person, or reputation, shall have a remedy by due process of law; and right and justice shall be administered without sale, denial, or delay.


SECTION 21  http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/CA-245552.htm

Suspension of laws.

That no power of suspending laws shall be exercised except by the legislature.


 


858 posted on 08/23/2003 3:15:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: RoughDobermann
Which nation are you speaking about please?

The nation these men were citizens of.

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

"The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded." James Madison

No truth is more evident to any mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people." Noah Webster

It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." George Washington

859 posted on 08/23/2003 6:01:47 PM PDT by apackof2
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To: apackof2
So, one of the three you cite mentions Christianity? Well done.
860 posted on 08/23/2003 8:24:11 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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