FOX NEWS: ALABAMA TEN COMMANDMENTS JUDGE SUSPENDED...

Drudge Report ^ | 08/22/03 | Matt Drudge

[Pokey78]

Orlando Salinas broke in a few minutes ago and announced this on Fox News.

[Windcatcher]

That's a start, but not good enough. According to Webter's, emotions and prejudices are the operative points. Fair enough.

Question: Did Moore, when running for election, proclaim that he would erect this monument and get elected on that issue alone? Or, was he elected BECAUSE HE IS A CONSERVATIVE in general? A Conservative (admittedly a *really right-wing* one) might erect this monument, but there's a whole lot more that goes along with the package:

- opposing abortion, a social issue about which Conservatives care deeply

- supporting strict sentences for criminals

- opposing loose interpretations of the state's laws and Constitution

There are lots of other things that make one Conservative, but these apply specifically to the duties of a Chief Justice.

It's not enough to say that he is appealing to people's emotions *now*, since he is already in power (though if he was up for reelection, I might tend more toward your perspective).

Nor, is it enough to say that he is appealing to people's emotions in general. It depends on how he does it. So far, his arguments seem to center on the state's Constitution, which is at is core an intellectual argument. He's not saying "But it's God's law! It's blasphemous to shut the Lord out!" In that case I'd wonder how he's qualified to be a judge at all. However, so far all I've seen so far are lucid, intellectual arguments. The fact that this is an admittedly emotional issue for a lot of people is beside the point. There are countless issues that are important to different people and cause emotional reactions.

The second half of the definition mentioned prejudices. I haven't seen any specific examples of anything Moore has said or done that would qualify as playing on prejudices, so, since you have labelled him a demagogue, you have the onus of providing specific examples.

[M Kehoe]

the making of a PoliceState

In the U.S.? Because of this legal/political battle over the statue of the 10 Commandments in Alabama?

No. I wouldn't worry about that quite yet.

5.56mm

[rwfromkansas]

I will tell you one thing. This is one of the few things that gets me hopping mad about to actually want to go to Alabama (of course my violent comments are blowing off steam; I wouldn't actually do that, but I do need to shut the heck up anyway).

But, your comment about Thomas Jefferson led me to believe the objection was more than simply the defiance of a court order.

[sinkspur]

Did Moore, when running for election, proclaim that he would erect this monument and get elected on that issue alone?

According to Alabama FReepers, the ONLY thing he ran on in 1998 was the attempt of courts to make him remove the 10 Commandments from his courtroom. The ONLY thing.

You could see this coming.

[Dog Gone]

We're under caution at the race right now. Can you point me to the comments you made about Jefferson? I read them, but I can't find them under a self-search.

Maybe that's because I'm trying to type during commercials, LOL.

[Winfield]

Surely there is a Christian or Jewish owned printing company somewhere, interested in printing "Ten Commandments" on signs that would be suitable for people to stick in their front yards. Can you imagine the frustration of the ACLU and other Lib-loonies if the Ten Commandments turned up in millions of yards across America! We should do this to the glory of God......and in honor of Judge Moore.

[gsrinok]

According to Alabama FReepers, the ONLY thing he ran on in 1998 was the attempt of courts to make him remove the 10 Commandments from his courtroom. The ONLY thing.

Then he's an honest man who has stuck to his principles. Why does that annoy you so much?

[Winfield]

Surely there is a Christian or Jewish owned printing company somewhere, interested in printing "Ten Commandments" on signs that would be suitable for people to stick in their front yards. Can you imagine the frustration of the ACLU and other Lib-loonies if the Ten Commandments turned up in millions of yards across America! We should do this to the glory of God......and in honor of Judge Moore.

[jwalsh07]

According to Alabama FReepers, the ONLY thing he ran on in 1998 was the attempt of courts to make him remove the 10 Commandments from his courtroom. The ONLY thing.

And he got elected with over 70% of the vote so we know where Alabaman's stand.

We also know where the courts stand, high atop the mythical wall of separation lording it over the serfs below.

You're on the wrong side here sink, really wrong.

[habs4ever]

If you can acknowledge my point, then you should be able to accept and understand why Moore lost twice and the monument has to go.

[habs4ever]

You're doing yeoman's work in this.Keep it up :)

[tutstar]

sinkspur is all over these threads...maybe he is prejudiced against Christians. For all we know he could be glad about this and the recent sodomy ruling by SCOTUS

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

-- The First Amendment


The right to freedom of religion is so central to American democracy that it was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution along with other fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press.


In order to guarantee an atmosphere of absolute religious liberty, this country's founders also mandated the strict separation of church and state. Largely because of this prohibition against government regulation or endorsement of religion, diverse faiths have flourished and thrived in America since the founding of the republic. Indeed, James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, once observed that "the [religious] devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state."

Americans are still among the most religious people in the world. Yet the government plays almost no role in promoting, endorsing or funding religious institutions or religious beliefs. Free from government control -- and without government assistance -- religious values, literature, traditions and holidays permeate the lives of our citizens and, in their diverse ways, form an integral part of our national culture. By maintaining the wall separating church and state, we can guarantee the continued vitality of religion in American life.

[Elsie]

I suspect that Alabama was a bad choice to fight this battle because the repercussions could be awesome.

And....

They've got their own WARSHIP with BIG GUNS!!!!

[Timesink]

I wonder if these 8 judges are still using the Bible for people to be sworn in, so help them, God?

I'm sure they are, but it's just tradition. You can refuse to be sworn in on a Bible, or in the name of any sort of God, and they will accommodate you, by having you affirm your testimony instead.

I agree this makes them look like hypocrites; I'm just pointing out that putting your hand on a Christian Bible and swearing to God is not a requirement to testify in any American court.

[gsrinok]

Actually, I was thinking that Sink was one of the molls that reports everything he reads here back to the DU message board. It's not like we haven't seen plenty of those guys here in the past. I've never paid a lot of attention to him before, but his postings in this thread would indicate that he's a lot closer to the lib/dim philosophy than he is to the predominantly conservative philosophy of most Freepers.

[Beck_isright]

"There's a lot of truth in what you said here."

Too bad no one else is listening. I can't wait to see the U.N. edict on "The Passion" next year.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Thank you for your post, I didn't know what Manzanar was, so I had to look it up. I learned something today, and your comment is right on track.

[SedVictaCatoni]

sinkspur is all over these threads...maybe he is prejudiced against Christians. For all we know he could be glad about this and the recent sodomy ruling by SCOTUS

Yay! Vague hypothesizing is always more fun than coherent argument.