S. KOREA POLICE VIOLENTLY STOP PLAN TO 'BALLOON' RADIOS INTO N. KOREA (INJURY REPORTED) BREAKING

Free North Korea net ^ | 22 August 2003 | Free North Korea Net

[dc27]

I saw something on TV with Dr. Vollerston. He said that when he was in North Korea, he noticed they weren't any birds. The people of North Koreo are forced to eat anything they can find. He showed images of severly malnourished children in the same pajamas that the jews were forced to wear.

Hey, peanut-head Carter went over there and said no human rights violations here. Just like in Cuba, a true Oasis according to the Laureate.

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"President Roh needs some lead in his pencil."

I'd say you have erected a good case in that regard.

[AmericanInTokyo]

naysayers abound, don't they? its a shame, even coming from our 'pro-freedom' side.

[AmericanInTokyo]

the other thing is the lack of forests up in the people's paradis. it is barren up there, whereas the south has thick forests. forests were all over korea, both north and south, before the communization of the northern half. DPRK has to total gut their forests for logging, so desperate for any foreign capital to fund their machine.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you for tuning in, this is Radio Free America.

People of North Korea.  Right now on your soil your fellow Koreans are being starved.  What's worse they are being executed for daring to speak out against the current government of North Korea.  They are oppressed, abused, tortured and killed for next to nothing....

Mr. Kim Song Wong:  Do you think?

Mrs. Kim Song Wong:  LOL, these silly Americans.

Mr. Kim Song Wong:  I've been beaten three times over the last two years.  I'm sure glad the Americans are informing me of the existance of abuses.

Mrs. Kim Song Wong:  We've lost one child due to starvation.  We've lost three neighborhood families to the execution squads.  I'm sure glad the U.S. has kept us informed about these matters.

Mr. Kim Song Wong:  There are 100 NK troops stationed less than a block away.  Should you and I contact our neighbors and ask them to join us in overthrowing these armed thugs, with our bare hands?

Mrs. Kim Song Wong:  Well, you know that 100% of our neighbors would turn us in for an extra meal.  You figure it out.  Hah hah hah...

Mr. Kim Song Wong:  Well, we'll just have to tune in again tomorrow to find out what else we've been subjected to, and how to overthrow the tyrants.

Mrs. Kim Song Wong:  I can't wait.

KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK, "Open up..."

Truth is a commodity that has fluctuating value to the recipient.  Maybe we should be floating in food...

[DoughtyOne]

I agree with you. And futher, if this were pre 09/11, I'd absolutely back taking out NK first. I do believe it is a severe threat. It should have been taken out years ago.

Look Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton got us here. When NK finally goes postal, we can think them for it. Course the media won't, at least until they get their peace medals.

[DoughtyOne]

You may have seen the same appearance I did. It was impressive. I saw those pictures and it was chilling to say the least.

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"Who is financing China"

The United States, via the Permanent Normal Trade Status granted them by the Clinton administration in return for their generous contributions to him and the DNC.

Agreed about Russia. Russia lobbied and lobbied to get the contract for the heavy oil and two light-water nuclear reactors promised to them by Jimmy "Peanut Brain" Carter on behalf of the UN and especially the Clinton administration.

Valid concerns about Russia's ulterior motives resulted in Congress refusing to allocate budget money for the reactors at all, and now South Korea is supposed to build the plants. Kim's constant and ongoing game of political cat and mouse in his effort not to comply with IAEA rules caused the Bush administration to freeze funding for heavy oil.

Kim continues to jump around making nuclear threats and demanding money, and Russia is simply back to sniffing around for profitable contracts.

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Since I'm throwing around the UN, Clinton and Carter, I ought to finish the circle and add that the head of the IAEA that Kim played cat and mouse with was none other than Hans Blix.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the comments.

[Southack]

Next time perhaps the Patriots in South Korea will use balloons or drones to send food into North Korea...No, scratch that, the North would say that it was poisoned, and kill a few peasants to fix blame.

OK, more radios next time!

[AmericanInTokyo]

OK.

I guess you are right.

Let's just give up and not do anything to help those people or advance the regime collapse.

Point adequately proven.

[AmericanInTokyo]

This administration had clear evidence of North Korean plutonium rod reprocessing for production into nuclear weapons at the rate of about one (1) per month -- way back in January 2003, before the Iraq invasion.

Let's just say, if anything 'goes down', the blame won't be limited to the Clinton and Carter administrations only. The voices within the Pentagon insisting Iraq First have prevailed. They have to sleep in that bed, now.

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"Let's just say, if anything 'goes down', the blame won't be limited to the Clinton and Carter administrations only."

Agreed. The complete failure of the Nuclear Agreed Framework from day 1 was and still is the UN's mess.

[AmericanInTokyo]

This current Administration is better (at least they don't pander or bribe), but not much better than the previous one. Whereas they are right to call a spade a spade and address the DPRK as 'evil', their deeper tactics and strategic understanding of North Korea, as well as a cohesive, decipherable North Korea policy, leaves much to be desired, in my opinion.

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"Whereas they are right to call a spade a spade and address the DPRK as 'evil', their deeper tactics and strategic understanding of North Korea, as well as a cohesive, decipherable North Korea policy, leaves much to be desired, in my opinion."

Your concern is understandable. The administration is concentrating right now on forcing the UN to clean up the mess it created...we need time. While it's known that Kim does deal with terrorists and it's pretty much accepted that he dealt far more closely with Saddam than was previously believed, we need to take our policy at a pace that will endanger the least number of American servicemembers' lives and not stretch our tactical and logistical resources.

Even before 9/11/01, enforcing the No Fly Zones and trying to ensure that Saddam complied with the terms of the cease fire for the never-ended Gulf War was putting an enormous drain on American resources. To the delight and great profit of many of our 'allies'. We can't fix everything all at once, and the Clinton administration damaged this country in ways that are impossible to describe.

[DoughtyOne]

I am generally a big supporter of the concept of Radio Free America type broadcasts over the borders of problem states.  In the case of North Korea these folks are on the verge of death every day.  I don't remember the exact grams of rice they get per day, from the doctor's presentation, but it's just barely enough to keep people alive.  Children are undersized and bone structures are not forming properly due to malnutrition of something like 75% of the nation's children.

In a police state as advanced and controling as North Korea's, it's impossible to start a movement from inside.  Family members, neighbors, friends, associates are so vulnerable, so desparate, so malnourished, so weak, that it would be impossible to network in this environment.  Citizen spys are everywhere.  If your two children were 200 grams of rice from death, would you be tempted to improve your lot (250 grams more rice perday) by turning in someone who opposed the state?  IMO even spouses would be tempted under these conditions to turn on their mates in order to improve their children's lots.  This is a morally bone-crunching situation for North Koreans.

While I think the Doctor's heart is in the right place, I do think his efforts are misguided.  What he is doing doesn't mesh with the presentation he made.  His own words are part of the basis for my thoughts on this subject.  I saw the pictures of the children which made them look like they were five years younger than they actually were.  I heard the stories of executed families and some of the reasons for this.  It was for almost nothing at all, on a whim.

North Korea presents a special case IMO.  It isn't just ideologically opposed to western ways, it has sacrificed the health of it's national body on the alter of military preparedness.  Those that damn the US for supposedly doing this, NEVER make the case that North Korea has actually done it.  North Korea has a big well trained, rather well equiped army.  It has tens of thousands of missiles trained on Seoul.  And of course it has nukes.

How do we help the citizens of the North?  This is a very difficult question.  We can send in mass quantities of food that will be controled by the state and mostly go to the military, which will free up more state funds that can be spent on the military.  We can send in heating oil that would be subject to the same daynamics.  Or we could recognize that war is inevitable and make arrangements with N.K.'s neighbors that would see us able to take out it's leadership and free up it's populace.  China will never agree to this IMO.  So for the time being, we seem to be at a stalemate.

When the time comes, we're going to have to face N.K. and possibly even China.  It's not a prospect that I relish, but it's one we're going to have to come to grips with.  North Korea with nuclear weapons that can reach the United States is an unacceptable situation.  It would allow North Korea to dictate our foreign policy or else.  And these idiots are just dumb enough to not give a darn what we do in return.  They will build undergound bunkers for the elite and gleefully look on as we destroy their surface infrastructure.  China however cannot allow us to become the hegemon on thier doorstep.  At least not IMO.

I think you recognize most of this and are probably in agreement with much of it.

The radio issue doesn't rate the attention or importance I've given to it.  I think it's much less of a story than some others do.  We both want what's best for North Korea's people.  If it were in the same condition as East Germany, I would be more inclined to agree with you.  Today's North Korea makes the Eastern Block East German Republic look positively enlightened by comparison, do to the existing food dynamic.

Take care.

[DoughtyOne]

I've read some articles that made the case our ingelligence officials knew in the late 90s what was taking place in North Korea. There was also an understanding that the North Koreans may have had the bomb as early as the 1995-96 range.

Klinton and our intelligence officials knew what they were handing off to the Bush team. I've got my disagreements with Bush, but I am not willing to lay this sutuation off on him. That being said, he is going to have to come to grips with the need to confront N.K. sooner rather than later.

Every day this goes forward, we and just as critically North Korea's neigbor states are more vulnerable to nuclear blackmail.

China is just one flarup with N.K. away from being a tarket of those nukes. It has been amazingly short-sighted with regard to North Korea.

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"We can send in mass quantities of food that will be controled by the state and mostly go to the military, which will free up more state funds that can be spent on the military. We can send in heating oil that would be subject to the same daynamics. Or we could recognize that war is inevitable and make arrangements with N.K.'s neighbors that would see us able to take out it's leadership and free up it's populace. China will never agree to this IMO. So for the time being, we seem to be at a stalemate."

That is a very good assessment.

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"China is just one flarup with N.K. away from being a tarket of those nukes. It has been amazingly short-sighted with regard to North Korea"

China has a lot of control over Kim's regime. It's more likely that China would be LAUNCHING nukes at those nations it perceives as it's enemies - which won't include the DPRNK - than that it would be a target of the DPRNK's nukes.

It might be a long time before Kim, mad as he is, gets stupid enough to risk having himself vaporised to atoms floating over a molten hole where his country used to be.

China is the key. Unfortunately, it's unlikely that China will persuade Kim to institute the huge reforms necessary to get humanitarian aid to his people, because China has been encouraging his policies all along...just to anger the US. The rest of the West too, but mostly the US. Besides, such a thing would be tantamount to China admitting that it's pet system of oppression is an abomination, and that won't happen.