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Splitting up boys, girls
The Atlanta-Journal Constitution/ajc.com ^ | August 21, 2003 | Paul Donsky

Posted on 08/21/2003 4:08:56 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife

When sixth-grade student Mayosie Davis showed up for the first day of school at Atlanta's King Middle last week, she could hardly believe it.

There weren't any boys in math class. None in language arts, either. Social studies? A boy-free zone.

The entire sixth-grade class has been separated by gender this year for everything but lunch and an elective course. Boys take their core academic classes in one area, girls in another.

"I miss them," Mayosie says with a sheepish smile. "I'd rather hang around boys than girls."

King is the only public school in metro Atlanta and one of only 32 coed public schools nationwide that offer single-sex classes, according to the National Association for Single Sex Public Education. The list includes one other Georgia school, in Savannah.

King's principal, Carolyn Huff, said that the change strips away some of the distractions that plague middle schools -- hormone-charged students flirting with each other, fighting over one another, fussing with their hair and clothes. Huff cited research showing that boys and girls learn differently and appear to thrive in separate settings.

The goal, the principal explained, is to boost King's test scores, which have crept up in recent years but remain among the lowest in the state.

"We thought we could just get the right books, just get the right program, just get the right materials," Huff said. But she came to the conclusion that turning the school around required a dramatic change.

Parents signed off on the plan, school officials said.

"I know we are a trailblazer with this," the principal said.

The single-sex movement is small but growing, and it's stirring a debate among educators, women's groups and legal scholars that in some ways echoes civil rights battles over racially segregated schools. Separate schools for boys and girls used to be the norm across the nation. Atlanta had single-gender schools as recently as the late 1940s.

Terry O'Neill, vice president of membership in the National Organization for Women, argues that gender segregation is a step backward for girls.

"Segregation implies inferiority, bottom line," O'Neill said. "They separate men from women in fundamentalist Muslim cultures, too. They did that in Afghanistan. It's not the answer. It takes us very much in the wrong direction. You have to encourage [boys and girls] to work together."

Debbie Seagraves, executive director of the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said efforts to separate boys and girls at public schools may violate the federal Title IX law, which outlaws sex discrimination in education.

"There's no such thing as separate but equal," said Seagraves. "Separate will become inherently unequal as time goes on."

Merits hotly disputed

The single-sex education movement got a big boost last year from President Bush, whose No Child Left Behind school reform law authorized the use of single-sex classrooms provided that they didn't discriminate based on gender.

The federal Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights is drafting a set of regulations that should clarify the issue, a department spokeswoman said.

Research on single-sex education is mixed. For example, after an elementary school in Seattle switched to single-sex classrooms in 2000, its reading scores tripled and discipline referrals plummeted from 30 a day to just one or two. But a high-profile 12-school effort in California in the late 1990s was deemed a failure and abandoned.

Advocates of single-sex education say it makes sense to address the differences between boys and girls.

For instance, girls who stand on the sidelines in coed classes become more competitive and outgoing in an all-girl environment, said Leonard Sax, a physician who founded the National Association for Single Sex Public Education. Boys tend to talk loudly and learn better when free to move about, Sax said.

"If you visit an all-boys school and an all-girls school, everything is a lot louder in the boys school," he said. "The classroom is conducted at a much higher decibel level. The teacher is raising his voice. That is appropriate, given what we know about how girls and boys learn."

Huff, King's principal, said single-sex classes may help reduce what she calls the "dumbing-down" phenomenon -- boys who refuse to give correct answers, do their work or pay attention because "it's just not cool to be smart." Without girls in the room to "impress" with their slacker attitude, the theory goes, boys will be more likely to care about school.

Decibel levels differ

At King, the boys are called the Distinguished Gentlemen, the girls the Debutantes.

In the boys' area, math teacher Travis Brown leads a lesson. The room hums with energy. Brown marches among the desks, talking loudly. Some boys sit on their knees, others restlessly stand up and sit down.

Nearly everyone barks out answers the moment Brown is finished asking a question. And there's no evidence of any "dumbing-down." In fact, the class gleefully corrects a minor mistake one student makes at the board.

In the girls' area, math class is an entirely different affair. The girls politely stay in their seats, raise their hands when teacher Gigi Miller asks a question, and wait to answer until they are called on. For long stretches the room is virtually silent.

'More focused'

King teachers say they can tell the new approach is working. Behavior has dramatically improved, they say, and students are paying more attention in class without the distraction of the opposite sex. They noted that the girls wore fairly skimpy clothing for the first few days -- but once they realized boys were not around for most of the day, they began wearing less revealing outfits.

"Last year it was a struggle to keep them focused," said Cheryl Darville, who teaches social studies to boys.

Khaia Smith, who teaches boys language arts, said she likes being able to pick books she knows the boys will like, which helps hold their interest. And dumbing-down is on the wane, she said.

"It's cool to be smart, it's cool to be a leader," she said.

Student Carolyne Ouya, 11, says she liked the single-sex environment.

"We get to learn a lot better without the distraction of us thinking about [boys] all the time," she said. "Now that we're here, I'm more focused on my work."

Phyllis Dawson, whose son, Carlos, is a sixth-grade student at King, said there was less fighting and more studying with girls out of the mix.

"The girls distract them, with the clothes that they wear," Dawson said. "There's no fighting. You know how guys and girls call each other names and stuff? There's none of that."

Some students pine for the days when boys and girls got to see each other all day long. Deterio Thurmand, 12, said it was boring without girls around.

Are "the girls coming back"? Deterio asked Huff between classes.

"You miss the girls?" Huff asked.

"Everybody does," Deterio said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; coed; education; gender; georgia; publicschool; sex; singlesex; singlesexeducation
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1 posted on 08/21/2003 4:08:56 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

As much as they try they can't stop the natural attraction between boys and girls.
2 posted on 08/21/2003 4:15:14 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
"the change strips away some of the distractions that plague middle schools -- hormone-charged students flirting with each other, fighting over one another, fussing with their hair and clothes."

Good grief...they eliminated all of the fun.

3 posted on 08/21/2003 4:16:24 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (All power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat though.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
The Libs have a real hang-up with sex...
4 posted on 08/21/2003 4:17:16 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Unless it's sphincter related.
5 posted on 08/21/2003 4:22:15 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
"The Libs have a real hang-up with sex..."

Ummm....not if it is same-sex...sex.

6 posted on 08/21/2003 4:24:16 PM PDT by OneTime
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
"I'd rather hang around boys than girls."

I've heard the same thing from women I work with.They think guys are more fun.

7 posted on 08/21/2003 4:25:13 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
"Terry O'Neill, vice president of membership in the National Organization for Women, argues that gender segregation is a step backward for girls.

"Segregation implies inferiority, bottom line," O'Neill said. "They separate men from women in fundamentalist Muslim cultures, too. They did that in Afghanistan. It's not the answer. It takes us very much in the wrong direction. You have to encourage [boys and girls] to work together."

Uhhh - wasn't it just last month that they were separating students by "gender" at Harvey Milk school, and the liberals were in favor of it?

8 posted on 08/21/2003 4:26:06 PM PDT by I still care
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Mayosie...who would abuse a kid like this? Her parents gave her birth without spell checker.
9 posted on 08/21/2003 4:35:41 PM PDT by RWG
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To: I still care
Segregation forces the feminists to recognize that girls and boys are different, we can't have that, can we?
10 posted on 08/21/2003 4:37:49 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Did not Catholic schools do this years ago? Nothing new here, move along.
11 posted on 08/21/2003 4:40:54 PM PDT by HRC
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
If girls weren't smarter than boys we'd have 20 times as many stupid people as we now have.
12 posted on 08/21/2003 4:47:11 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
It appears the school is concerned with is bringing their test scores up to standard. Because of No Child Left Behind, struggling school districts are scrambling to implement courses of action to improve test scores so they don't face outside intervention.

I'm sure they're not trying to stop physical attraction between the sexes, but instead are trying to maximize learning potential by recognizing the differences in the way boys and girls learn and behave.

What if it works?

13 posted on 08/21/2003 4:50:29 PM PDT by pubmom
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I think it is a great idea. I've been real tempted to try to send my son to an all boys school. He's very smart, but he needs school to be hands on and fast paced.

The co-ed schools pander to girls currently. They do not teach in a style that is good for boys. There is too much sitting, and not enough hands on activities.

14 posted on 08/21/2003 5:00:22 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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There is too much sitting, and not enough hands on activities.

Uh, isn't this what they're trying to avoid?

15 posted on 08/21/2003 5:03:37 PM PDT by fuquadukie (This tag line available for rent or sale. Cheap. Any typos are a result of publik edukashn.)
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I attended a "co-educational" high school. The only classes that I had with boys were physics (on the boys' side) and French (on the girls' side). I really loved it. I mean I really really loved it. It was the best educational experience I had until law school!!!!!

btw, I'm female.
16 posted on 08/21/2003 5:13:06 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I attended a "co-educational" high school. The only classes that I had with boys were physics (on the boys' side) and French (on the girls' side). I really loved it. I mean I really really loved it. It was the best educational experience I had until law school!!!!!

btw, I'm female.
17 posted on 08/21/2003 5:13:20 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: fuquadukie
There's a difference between how boys learn.

Science is a great example. You can have a teacher tell a class to read a book, take a test, etc. But boys are going to be bored stiff.

On the other hand, if there are experiments, things to disect, things to get their hands on the boys learn.

18 posted on 08/21/2003 5:15:18 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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My son went to an all-male Catholic High School. He did great. The guys got to be very macho, sometimes things were said in the classroom that could be construed as a little off-color-just the thing to let the pressure off these kids. They need to just be guys! The male teachers let them get away with being a little noisy, a little rowdy, put if push came to shove, the teachers had the right stuff and handled these guys. The boys grew into men, really nice young men, and, as a mom visiting, I was always treated respectfully. Now, I have gone to the local public school and never seen that level of respect NOR that level of real confidence I saw in those young men. I like single sex education, it may not be for everyone, but it works for many. V's wife.
19 posted on 08/21/2003 5:15:31 PM PDT by ventana
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That's boys all right.

As an added plus, maybe the demand for prescription behavioral control drugs would plummet.

20 posted on 08/21/2003 5:20:27 PM PDT by pubmom
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