[ZeitgeistSurfer]

The hidden issue of 2004 and the dominent issue of 2008.

[Texas_Dawg]

Are we all doomed?

[ladysusan]

We've been telling our kids friends who are majoring in CS to change majors. My own two are majoring in math and psychology, respectively.

What a short sighted nation we are, shipping our own prosperity overseas.

[Lazamataz]

So WE ARE all gonna die.

Damn.

I wanted to live.

[warchild9]

A couple of women were sitting behind me in a restaurant Monday night. They were both IBM'ers who'd lost their jobs that very same day. They were understandablly upset. Sitting nerby was an H1-B family, and we were in a Chinese restaurant.
All IBM engineering and programming jobs here in the Triangle are being eliminated, and sent to China and India. The suits openly said so on television (at least they're honest about it).
W is headed for $300,000,000 in bribe money, er, campaign constributions, this cycle.
Only an idiot can't make the connection.

[snippy_about_it]

IMO, it should be the issue of the 2004 campaign. We continue to give away jobs to other countries or bring H1B visa workers here and it's hurting.

[Loyalist]

PING

[A. Pole]

Now that skilled engineering jobs are being transferred offshore, the middle class is in the firing line, and this poses a very real crisis for a large and not-entirely unimportant section of society. Go to college, learn tech skills and - oops, sorry - you're job has just gone offshore. Please accept this redundancy slip and some small token that your worthless (hard-earned) contribution has enriched the global economy. Or as the creepier types insist, the global "eco-system".

Bankruptcy law should be modified so the student loans could be discharged the same way as other debts. There is no way a Walmart employee will be able to pay back costs of advanced college degree.

[cherry]

well, teachers always wanted to be the best paid employees and I guess they will be, summer vacations and all.....

[Sub-Driver]

First the author is biased. Second I'll challenge his facts & numbers. 15K in the second quarter? I missed that announcement.

As to "bungling" the aquistion of PWC, the extra $397M was due to a review of the value of asessts and was in line with accounting practices (unlike some other companies...)

[ladysusan]

Z,
I agree that this is a huge campaign isue. Not so sure it will be hidden in 2004 if things don't rapidly improve. Things in W's home state are just not that good.

People are angry. It won't take that much to push the voters into cynicism.

[theDentist]

Well, let's see if I can put my degrees and experience to work in another field...

"Do you want to biggie size that?"

[RedBloodedAmerican]

HP announced earnings this week that fell below expectations and added that it would make 1,300 "unexpected" human sacrifices to cover the shortfall.

Considering the source (an email supposedly from an employee, not an HP statement), this announces layoffs due to cost. But where in the article does it say that HP is hiring 1,300 employees in another country for the same jobs they just cut? Or was that your personal spin in the title??

Might consider correcting the title so as not to start a needless battle on a thread based on one persons *cough* interpreatation.

[Eala]

It's not all going, despite the chatter. A few jobs over here are opening. Interestingly too, I know a company that's outsourced for years, with a team of programmers in Russia. Despite that, they recently moved another of their brightest lights from somewhere back of Toronto to their HQ in (very expensive) Boston.

[Sender]

I work in tech support for a large (200k plus employees) corporation and I am worried that they will outsource our jobs too. They've already run off almost all the experienced engineers and are hiring young whiz kids who have never done anything beyond a PlayStation game, and who don't mind working long, weird hours for little money. Now they're moving us to a very undesirable urban location to save a couple of bucks and their attitude seems to be "if you don't like it, there's the door". Next stop: India, I'm sure. *sigh*

It's time to think about a "real" job that pays much less, but may keep me from going insane.

[harpseal]

Ping

On or off this list let me know.

[Havoc]

Bush didn't have any thing to do with the passing of Nafta; but, the Dems want to wrap it around his neck as though it were his fault. Bush should issue an executive order and suspend Nafta while pushing for permanant renegotiation with all trade partners involved. He should follow up with steep fines for outsourcing.

[Havoc]

Bush didn't have any thing to do with the passing of Nafta; but, the Dems want to wrap it around his neck as though it were his fault. Bush should issue an executive order and suspend Nafta while pushing for permanant renegotiation with all trade partners involved. He should follow up with steep fines for outsourcing.

[ex-snook]

OPEN ASSIGNMENT
MISSION TO SAVE AMERICAN JOBS
August 21, 2003

President Bush:

Mr. President your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to recover the 3+ million jobs lost on your watch. You are to find where they went, recover them, and prevent this from happening again.

You have until November 2004 to complete this mission.

If you choose not to accept this mission, or are incapable of performing, don't run in the GOP Primary so another Republican can accept this important mission for America.

American Citizen Voter

PS Ronald Reagan was the last Republican to understand. Ross Perot sent a warning to your Dad but since then all we hear is the mantra, 'Perot gave us Clinton'. Actually your Dad gave us Perot.

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

It's dry, academic stuff to be sure. But when jobs are being lost on such an extraordinary scale, scarcely reported, is there a politician bold enough even to raise the issue?

Answer: No. Politicians avoid confrontation. The only reason that this transfer of wealth (IP and jobs) is possible is that U.S. politicians aid and abet it via public policy. It doesn't take a trade war to protect intellectual property. It doesn't require tariffs to protect American labor.

It just requires courage, selflessness (i.e. resisting lobbyists), and a belief and dedication U.S. Constitutional law. In other words, you have to believe in America, and believe in supporting Americans (i.e. the individuals, not unions or organizations), and most U.S. politicians (i.e. all Democrats, and many Republican RINOs) simply don't. They see the loss of IP and jobs as something "rich and spoiled" Americans somehow deserve. In their popular view, Americans have too much, and these "developing" nations deserve something too. "Spread the wealth" (a.k.a. redistributist policies), even if that means your job, and the economic future of your kids. The answer: "Sorry bud. Wrong time, wrong place. Learn Chinese and Arabic, and get with the new International order of things ..."

And by all means, forget all those old, antequated notions of republican democracy, Freedom, and "the American way".

Excuse me. Break over. I have to get back to training my Indian replacement (...replacement(s); it takes more than one).

SFS

[Hatteras]

A word of wisdom to the soon-to-be parents. Always give your children names with four letters or less. That way, when all else fails, they can always easily fit their names into that little oval patch they'll be sporting on their grease-covered uniforms.