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IBM lays off 15,000, HP 1300 [Outsourcing]
The Register ^ | 8/21/2003 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 08/21/2003 9:44:06 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer

Veteran IBM-watchers know how testing it is to read one of the company's financial statements. In the early days of the cold war, Churchill described the Soviet Union as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma". But compared to earnings releases from companies such as Apple and Sun - who provide terse and lucid declarations - you can be forgiven for thinking of IBM's announcements as a cloud wrapped in a fog containing a temporary heat-haze.

However, this much is clear: IBM has shed 15,000 jobs in the past quarter: 1400 from the microelectronics division and a staggering "14,213 Global Services personnel" in response to "the recent decline in corporate spending on technology-related services". To balance the books, IBM also bunged its recent acquisition, PwC, by almost $400 million.

In an SEC filing posted last week, IBM maintained that demand was strong. So strong, it had to conduct a private pogrom in its own services division. Clearly, something doesn't add up - even by IBM's own admission.

Perhaps an email from a soon-to-be redundant HP employee to The Register sheds some light on the situation. HP announced earnings this week that fell below expectations and added that it would make 1,300 "unexpected" human sacrifices to cover the shortfall. In contrast to previous "sheddings" of fluff in the "labor market", the middle class now feels the pain.

"Sorry but I'm due in early Sunday to train my replacement in Bangalore," the (almost) ex-HPer explained. "It's because of the time difference."

Offshore drilling

Hidden beneath the already hard-to-find news of job cuts is a massive transfer of IT resources to India and China. While only a few years ago we were promised a "Long Boom" of infinite prosperity, by "gurus" such as Wired executive Kevin Kelly, it now appears that every tech job can be cut or outsourced with impunity. Kelly is never happier, by his own admission, than when he's lying down in Pacifica dreaming of insects.

For the rest of us, needs are rather more pressing.

Not to appear to be picking on IBM or HP in particular, there doesn't seem to be a tech job left that's safe.

This has yet to emerge as an election issue, although it represents an assault on middle class expectations that's unparalleled in peacetime. But it is important and needs some context.

As the world's largest democracy, and with a philosophical and scientific tradition that (outside the Muslim world) is second to none, India has every reason to look upon the recent occidental outbreak of what we call "capitalism" as a temporary aberration.

It's worth nothing that in common with his fellow Victorian political economists, Marx found the oriental model so strange that he excluded it from his theories entirely.

But outbreaks of tech independence abound. The People's Republic of China has shown both a cavalier disregard for Western IP (aka "intellectual property") and boasts a proud confidence that its own homegrown talent can transform a pay-for "IP" import into an indigenous social resource. [See Trade Wars II: China shuns Qualcomm - no CDMA tax! - EU frets over China's 3G plan and Motorola gambles big on Linux, Sinocapitalism for more details].

Given China's astonishing historical legacy of engineering excellence, this is far from foolish. Dammit, weren't our kids supposed to bring home the bacon?

On this side of the Gulf, we're sure to hear cries of anguish, as the parents of expensively educated middle-class kids learn that their investment (and, in the US, this can be upwards of $120,000 per child) has gone offshore.

Which brings us to a particularly anxious conundrum. The prosperity that we felt was assured, and by rights, ours in the West no longer belongs to us. Those college dollars look like a poor investment, when a cleverer Indian can perform the same task for a tenth of the salary. So why did we spend all that money? Who, at what point, added enough "value" to justify the investment?

It's a good question. In a historical perspective the Indian, Muslim and Chinese engineers whose forefathers created so much of this intellectual infastructure are only reaping their due rewards. For Western kids, however, this does seem a bum deal. "Weren't we supposed to be clever[-er] than everyone else?" a recent graduate asked me recently. Well, er, actually no.

Smarts is as smarts gets.

Forget your O'Reilly PERL course, and follow the money. A course in Mandarin or Arabic is probably the shrewdest investment a parent can make right now.

Go west, my son... and then keep going

The inexorable logic of digital capitalism has rewarded companies such as Dell, which add no value, and pare costs to the bone, and ruthlessly punished systems companies such as Sun and Apple, which invest in R&D. For reasons best known to themselves, these companies invest in the hard stuff that can't easily be commoditised. Logic suggests that such companies are the bulwark against copy-cat Oriental opportunism.

While you might think much of the above is facetious, the West faces a very real problem: we have a surfeit of well educated kids who, if we accept the orthodoxies of asset-stripping capitalism, simply can't compete with foreign competitors without tilting the playing field.

When capitalism went digital, the first casualties were manual laborers. Now that skilled engineering jobs are being transferred offshore, the middle class is in the firing line, and this poses a very real crisis for a large and not-entirely unimportant section of society. Go to college, learn tech skills and - oops, sorry - you're job has just gone offshore. Please accept this redundancy slip and some small token that your worthless (hard-earned) contribution has enriched the global economy. Or as the creepier types insist, the global "eco-system".

Technology once promised us vistas of endless prosperity, and saw itself aloof from the obligations of political economy or globalisation. Now these pigeons are coming home to roost, and "technology" is more of a liability than it is a blessing.

It's dry, academic stuff to be sure. But when jobs are being lost on such an extraordinary scale, scarcely reported, is there a politician bold enough even to raise the issue?


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To: harpseal
Well this was coming from past posts. The offshore outsourcing strikes again. The pension funds from IBM will be drying up to great extent as successive rounds of layoffs hit.

If we as a nation decide to fix our economy here is a plan that makes a good start.

In no particular order of importance.

1. Get rid of government subsidies for offshore investment of US companies. OPIC is the first such program which should go but support of World Bank programs that subsidize the outflow of Capital would be another.

2. Use tariffs on those nations which are engaged in unfair trade practices such as currency manipulation (China and India for example), those nations which refuse to open their markets to US products (China for example with its 50% tariffs on US consumer goods and non tariff barriers), those nations that subsidize competition to American Industry (airbus for example) and those nations which have slave conditions for their workers.

3. Use tariffs and other means to prevent the relocation of jobs offshore that are essential to the national defense. If necessary take control of the company seeking to export vital technology or industry by means of eminent domain (No I do not like this last option and I will only defend its use as an absolute last resort like say in the case of rare earth magnets essential to smart bomb technology). Provide a hardened, widely distributed infrastructure to supply all that is needed for our military units and civil defense that can be continued to be deployed in the event of any military attack.

4. An immediate end to guest worker programs. If people wish to come to the USA to work and make a life let them immigrate according to the rules.

5 Provide economic development zones where the corporate income tax is zero for operations within these zones. In order to operate in this zone a company must agree to only purchase American components if available and employ only American citizens or legal immigrants in these operations. These economic development zones shall be eventually be expanded to include every bit of every state once the benefits are shown I would like them to be totally implemented immediately but I realize4 that may be overreaching.

6. Scale back unnecessary regulation including the tort system. Institute a cap on punitive damages, limits on class action suits, and limits on liability to the actual percentage of liability with no plaintiff able to collect if said plaintiff was involved in the commission of a felony at the time of the alleged tort or was more than 49% negligent in the alleged tort. Note that the loser in a frivolous lawsuit shall pay the attorney fees of the winner. There are many other regulatory structures that also need to be included that need to be included such as repealing the Family leave mandate, getting rid of OSHA etc.

7. Increase the domestic content in purchases by the Department of defense and give absolute preference in non-domestic content to proven allies of the USA over say the French or Germans. The only reason any content for DOD purchase may come from non US allies is that content is not available elsewhere and is essential.

8. Do not allow expense involved in moving operations overseas to be included in business expenses under the IRS code.

9. Prosecute for perjury anyone who has made a false statement in order to employ an H1B or L1 visa worker. I will be lenient on the actual perjurer if he/she was ordered to make this false statement and he/she provides testimony to aid in the conviction of the person ordering the perjury. Just because a person is a CEO does not give them a pass on criminal behavior.

10. Prosecute anyone who orders the transfer of vital defense technology or funds a R&D project that could be of use to our military overseas except to strong allies of the USA. Make the necessary enhancements to our espionage laws so that continued support or funding of any R&D in a nation whose government has threatened the USA is guilty of espionage. The UK and Australia come to mind as meeting these criteria for being eligible for transfer of technology first. There will be other nations and a gradation of what can be transferred to which specific nation. Under no circumstances may technology be transferred to any nation whose government has threatened the USA within five years without a complete change of government or specific exemption from Congress and the administration.

11. Deport all illegal aliens immediately and take measures that prevent the entry of any more illegal aliens. Fine all companies knowingly employing illegal aliens Criminal sanctions should be imposed on anyone helping an illegal alien stay in the USA in violation of our laws.

12. Decrease the punishing levels of taxation on companies and eliminate the double taxation on corporate dividends. See effects of item 5 for how minimal this will be if item 5 covers the entire USA. Eliminate all IRS provisions that inhibit free use of independent contractors by businesses for example section 1706.

13. Eliminate the minimum wage so that the worker can be paid based on productivity. Overtime compensation will remain the same but instead of 150% of the "wage" the worker would receive 150% of the production pay. If one through 13 are enacted # 14 becomes an irrelevancy as no one will be working for that low a wage.

Now since I started posting this plan another idea has come up that in my opinion is a very good policy that stands on its own.

“I suggest that the US Customs Department charge a $1,000-per-container inspection fee on every container entering the United States. This fee would be used to completely fund the cost of inspections. If we assumed that a four-man team could fully inspect two containers a day or about 500 per year, it would require 48,000 inspectors. Allowing for at least 2,000 support personnel, we would need at least 50,000 workers. Because these workers would require high intelligence and skill levels they should earn at least $30 per hour. At 40-hour weeks plus benefits, I estimate the cost per worker to be over $75,000 per year, all paid by the foreign manufacturers. Even so, this would still leave over $2.25 billion to cover all other costs. Any revenue not used would be used to compensate American workers displaced by foreign imports. “

I urge and encourage everyone who agrees with this plan and or the terror tariff idea to communicate this to every politician you can think of.

101 posted on 08/21/2003 10:37:52 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: riri
It's not the President, it's the personality. The Mrs. calls it the "anti-Clinton syndrome." Clinton showed us all the irty side of Washington, and W, who seems a decent sort, suddenly gives them the illusion that everything has changed.
It hasn't.
102 posted on 08/21/2003 10:38:00 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: riri
irty = dirty. I got to stop this.
103 posted on 08/21/2003 10:38:28 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: kafir
Yeah, the thing is, one does not need a CS degree to become an IT professional

So true. My married daughter and her hubby both are Itbworkers and neither has a CS degree. They both have nthosewell rounded degrees to which you refer. ITA, the best idea for udergradsnthesemdays is a well rounded degree
104 posted on 08/21/2003 10:38:48 AM PDT by ladysusan (Where's it going to end?)
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To: warchild9
We are a country of immigrants with a monetary system built on debt run by corrupt politicians. As it was in 1790, as it is now.
105 posted on 08/21/2003 10:38:56 AM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: hedgetrimmer
The unemployment rate: 4.1% (2001 est.)

You do realize that 4% unemployment is considered full employment by economists? Ask your own government.

(And if you think Cuba's and Vietnam's "employment" rates are believable, maybe you should invest some money there.)

106 posted on 08/21/2003 10:39:38 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
You said there was no unemployment. You're changing the subject because you were wrong.
107 posted on 08/21/2003 10:40:19 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
Bush didn't have any thing to do with the passing of Nafta; but, the Dems want to wrap it around his neck as though it were his fault. Bush should issue an executive order and suspend Nafta while pushing for permanant renegotiation with all trade partners involved. He should follow up with steep fines for outsourcing.
108 posted on 08/21/2003 10:40:38 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
Bush didn't have any thing to do with the passing of Nafta; but, the Dems want to wrap it around his neck as though it were his fault. Bush should issue an executive order and suspend Nafta while pushing for permanant renegotiation with all trade partners involved. He should follow up with steep fines for outsourcing.
109 posted on 08/21/2003 10:40:39 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: hedgetrimmer
My inlaws have nice stories about the Cuban government exchanging security for loyalty. One of the Mrs.'s uncles refused to give in, and had his diabetes medicine withheld until he died. Another, back in the 60's, was simply buried alive.
110 posted on 08/21/2003 10:40:40 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
There has been ton of turnover on our street too.

We are the only original owners left here.

I fear for the folks who are just starting out, and have little kids. It's hard enough in the best of times, and baby, these ain't the best of times.
111 posted on 08/21/2003 10:41:44 AM PDT by ladysusan (Where's it going to end?)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Yes, I believe the unemployment rate is probably higher. And if that is true, you are again wrong in your claim.
112 posted on 08/21/2003 10:42:12 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

OPEN ASSIGNMENT
MISSION TO SAVE AMERICAN JOBS
August 21, 2003

President Bush:

Mr. President your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to recover the 3+ million jobs lost on your watch. You are to find where they went, recover them, and prevent this from happening again.

You have until November 2004 to complete this mission.

If you choose not to accept this mission, or are incapable of performing, don't run in the GOP Primary so another Republican can accept this important mission for America.

American Citizen Voter

PS Ronald Reagan was the last Republican to understand. Ross Perot sent a warning to your Dad but since then all we hear is the mantra, 'Perot gave us Clinton'. Actually your Dad gave us Perot.

113 posted on 08/21/2003 10:42:32 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need BALANCED Trade. We buy from you. You buy from us.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Here are just a few of the recent posting regarding specifically IBM outsourcing to India. This is not mere idle chit-chat in a restaurant. Notice that IBM is still attracting good contracts, even from the State of California.

IBM Lays Off 500
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966334/posts

IBM Reportedly (No, definitely) Laying Off Hundreds
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965900/posts

IBM will force their employees to train their outsourcing replacements.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/959133/posts

IBM lands $1.1 billion IT services deal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/954817/posts

IBM looks to move jobs abroad
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/950789/posts

IBM nabs California welfare contract
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946200/posts

IT happens only in India!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/961386/posts

A Passage to India Services to Follow Manufacturing Jobs Exodus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/959227/posts
114 posted on 08/21/2003 10:42:49 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: hedgetrimmer
You said there was no unemployment. You're changing the subject because you were wrong.

Haha. You couldn't even follow my point on something as simple as that?? Unbelievable.

Cuba and Vietnam "guarantee" jobs to people. That's the idea of Communism. Their unemployment rates in reality are closer to 50%. They put out those numbers for Leftists and people like you that have such great faith in their economic systems.

115 posted on 08/21/2003 10:42:50 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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I am SO worried that my family of overachieving geniuses who had the benefit of going to top schools and getting MANY advanced degrees will not be able to earn a living. It's a tragedy...who is to blame?





116 posted on 08/21/2003 10:43:29 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: warchild9
Yes, it is a typical communist ploy to harm people who do not support them. My sympathies for your wife's family.
117 posted on 08/21/2003 10:43:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: ladysusan
We have a saying here: "If you don't like your neighbors, wait a while and they'll move."
118 posted on 08/21/2003 10:43:37 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
The Founders and other great Americans who followed warned us not to do this, but UN-loving politicians want us to be world citizens with world-determined living standards with a world court and a world charter to tell us how to behave ourselves.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary [economic] safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

119 posted on 08/21/2003 10:43:41 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Willie Green for President...)
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To: warchild9
HA! I was a victim of the first wave of H1B's in the late 80's during the administration of Bush the Elder.

To misquote Daffy Duck, "the irony, oh, the irony".

As one wag (me) said, if we'd wanted to join the global economy, we'd have stayed in India.

Under Clinton, it became a flood. There was NO labor "Shortage" at all. Companies preferred to hire contractors employees at will. Idiot exec's would tell me that a guy who spent a chunk of time writing Fortran and Assembler couldn't handle a silly piddly Java app. It was blatant age discrimination " can you fit into our culture?" Do you look and act like a GENX'er? "Do you have the right energy level?" Ie. work til 10PM+ every night without complaining. We'll give you free pizza! What a deal.

But, Americans never said boo all these years until now. Hi Tech whiners who thought their jobs were immune to export, unlike those bluecollar auto and steel jobs, now have to face the fact that hi-end jobs can and will be done overseas. It is sad from an individual viewpoint; the damage done to one's career, life and psyche can be very hard to overcome and i sympathise totally. I've been there.

But it's the free market at work. Double edged sword that.
120 posted on 08/21/2003 10:44:09 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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