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Carelessness and Casualness in worship
The Middletown Bible Church ^ | 08/19/03 | various authors

Posted on 08/19/2003 7:56:34 PM PDT by RaceBannon

Carelessness and Casualness in Worship

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself [conduct thyself] in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15)

"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him." (Psalm 89:7)

Whatever Happened to our Sunday Best? by Dr. Paul Tassell

The Way We Dress Should Show That We Honor the Lord!

One trend I have noted in local churches in recent years is carelessness. Carelessness in dress. Many people attend the house of God attired the same way they would dress for a rodeo or a football game.

When people are to be guests at the White House for a meeting with the President, they dress up—suits and ties for the men; pretty dresses for the ladies. Appropriate dress indicates appropriate respect. When the President speaks to a joint session of congress, the gallery guests as well as the lawmakers are all dressed in their best.

Does not our Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church, deserve as much consideration and respect as our President? Does not your pastor deserve that much respect for his message?

I grew up in a home with two brothers and three sisters. My job every Saturday night was to polish eight pairs of shoes My parents taught us six children to "dress up in our Sunday best" for the house of God. When my wife and I go to hear our pastor, we dress up. We respect him, and we respect the Lord he represents.

Pastors and their wives should lead the way in setting a proper example of dressing for the occasion. More than once I have been disappointed at a classy restaurant where I was meeting with a group of businessmen and a pastor, only to have the pastor show up open-collared and inappropriately informal while all the businessmen were dressed in three-piece suits and ties. I do not believe the pastor's influence and testimony were enhanced by such a breach of etiquette.

I know the Lord looks on the heart, and clothes don't necessarily make the man, but how we dress when we go to a worship service ought to indicate how much we honor our Lord. We do not have to be fashion models, but we should "dress up" for our Saviour's special day at His special house, the local church. The spirit of what I am saying is captured in the words of Malachi:

A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a Master, where is My fear (reverence)? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests (Malachi 1:6).

"Just as I Am" is an invitation for sinners, not a description of how the saints are to attend a church service. The Prodigal Son came home in rags. As soon as his father accepted him, however, he was dressed in a fine robe; shoes were put on his feet and a ring on his finger. Before Joseph went in to have an audience with Pharaoh, "he shaved himself, and changed his raiment" (Genesis 41:14). So should we look our best when going to the house of God to worship the Lord of the Church.

I am not pleading for barring anyone from a church service because of the way he or she is dressed. But I do think visitors to our services ought to be impressed by how special we believe our church and Lord to be as we "dress up."

Let's not allow our local churches to become sanctuaries of the sloppy and temples of the tacky. Let's respect our Master, minister and message. --Dr. Paul Tassell

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God's Holy and Special Person requires reverence on the part of those who know Him and who seek to honor His Name. "God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him" (Psalm 89:7). He is the great and awe-inspiring God who demands our worshipful respect, not only in the way we dress, but also in the way we sing.

We dress in a proper and special way on the Lord's Day because it is a special occasion and we are meeting with a special Person, even the God who is to be feared and revered. Because of this special occasion and special Person, we want to sing in a manner that is appropriate and befitting such a worthy and glorious God. It is a time of worship, not entertainment. Applause runs horizontally and relates to man's humanity and not vertically relating to God's deity. It is out of place in the place that is seeking only to point to God and honor Him.

The dressing, the singing, the bending of the heart before God in humble worship—all of this is but the preparation of one's heart attitude for the glad reception of God's Holy Word. The One who is high and holy is looking for those who will tremble at His Word (Isaiah 66:1-2). He is looking for those who will bow before the authority of His Word. "Speak Lord, for Thy servant is listening."

Right dressing encourages right thinking. Right thinking encourages right singing. Right singing readies and tunes the heart for thankful learning. May God's Word dwell in us richly and may God the Master Musician produce His melody in our hearts to His praise (Col. 3:16). "And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD" (Psalm 40:3).

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Casualness in the Way We Sing

by Robert Regal

Music, The Barometer of a Society The church has swallowed the monstrous heresy that noise (music), size, bluster and activity, make a man dearer to God. --A. W. Tozer The article by Dr. Tassell and the above quote of Dr. Tozer should sound an alarm in the midst of the saints who have gone to sleep at the helm of the "Good Ship Grace," and have turned aside from "the faith once delivered to the saints." The Church, the "Body" and "Bride" of Christ, made up of local assemblies around the world has been impacted in our time by the "spirit of the world" (1 Corinthians 2:12). This is foreign to God's ideal which is delineated in the rest of the verse: "...but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

Many of the saints of our time seem unable to discern "the Spirit of God" from "the spirit of the world." We are commanded not to love the world, nor be enamored by it, and never to be dominated by it. We are not to be "conformed to the world, but transformed by the renewing of the mind," for "...we have the mind of Christ" (Romans 12:2; 1 Corinthians 2:16).

Particular contemporary musical styles have become classic examples of the "spirit of the world" invading the church. Not only have they invaded the assemblies of believers world wide, but they dominate. Try to address it and the assembly splits. Leadership hesitates to address it for fear of creating unnecessary waves, and, "after all, we must get together in our day; we must unite on the main issues and not be overly concerned by doctrine." (I might add, we need to be sure that it is sound doctrine.) First, certain styles of the musical language are tolerated, this is soon followed by domination (down with the traditional, conservative, stylings) which, in turn, leads to compromise.

A consequence of this invasion affects the life style of the believer. Where you find an emphasis on much of contemporary stylings, you will notice a cloak of casualness that moves in among the saints. Thus the timely article of Dr. Tassell. If this situation is addressed the assembly cries out, "legalism!"

The style of music will not only affect the attitude of the saint in the area of clothes, grooming, and personal deportment, but in theology. It fosters a looseness in the spirit of worship, teaching, edification and fellowship. I have observed in many of the churches in which I have visited this "casualness," not only in attire, but in fellowship (conversation, noise), which becomes boisterous to the point that the pastor or man of music, or whoever is in charge, has great difficulty in beginning the service. What makes it worse is that the fellowship (conversation, noise), usually has nothing to do with the purpose of the church meeting together. What has created this mood and encouraged this pre-service situation?

One of the strengths of music and its varied styles are the moods and the emotions it generates. I am not saying that Pop, rock, in all its versions, Western, Country Western, Jazz, Folk, Stamp Baxter, New Age, Contemporary, and such like, are not part of the musical language, for they are an expression that comes out of our age and culture, which culture, in many areas, is caught up in insipid subjectivism and decadence. What I am saying is that these styles and idioms speak of the world and its culture good and bad and are thus disqualified to be the musical vehicle for the saints in worship, fellowship, evangelism, and the Christian life in general. The following are two quotes supporting this position:

The development of form in music itself is an attempt to reach completeness through an artistic media. Music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship. Jazz, etc. is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying. (Emphasis Mine)

--Dr. Bernstein, Professor of Music, New York University

Art and music always reflect a particular view on life and the world. Deeply felt values are expressed through the way the theme and subject matter are handled. Thus, even junk and punk rock say something very definite, very deliberate. What rock is saying in today's culture disqualifies it as a vehicle for spiritual communication.

Reduced to its smallest component parts, music is amoral. There is nothing inherently wrong with 440 hz vibration or a dotted quarter note followed by an eighth note. The same could be said for a letter in the alphabet or a drop of paint or a particle of clay. But as soon as a human being combines any of these building blocks, the creative process has begun and the resulting creation always reflects a view of life.

For this reason, the Christian cannot sanitize rock. Even if we ignored the worldly associations of rock (and we cannot), its musical origins spring from a view of life altogether different from the Christian's. Because Christ must be the focal point of our music, the style must never overshadow Him or draw attention to itself. (Emphasis mine)

--Peck, "Rock, Making Musical Choices"

For too long the church has assumed and taken for granted its musical heritage which is rich in great hymn and gospel composition wedded to magnificent texts both in subjectivity and objectivity, that have passed testing through the channels of time and have emerged in our day arranged and rearranged, added to and extended, imbued with the touch of the art of great musical invention. Excellent music has been and is being written in our day, but one has to sift through and discern its textual and musical values and not be caught up in the argument for style. God gave us the substance of music, man gives us the style. There are 12 tones in our music scale. The arrangement of these tones in melody and harmony, the pulse of the meter that drives it and guides it, the text that gives the composition meaning, all fall into a style that must be thought about.

It should be remembered that two areas are involved in music ministry in and to the assembly, and for that manner, to each other and to ourselves. See Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16 and Hebrews 13:15. Two languages are wedded together and both have a grammar, a syntax, and a rhetoric: Lyrics, or the word text, and composition, the music text. This then is the substance of musical expression, which expression becomes the barometer of a society. If this is true, and it is, then we could say without any provocation, that it is also a barometer of the church and its condition in society, and in its address to today's culture.

The Lord Jesus is a model for every believer. He was in the world but was not of the world: "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world" (John 17:14). He was sent on a mission to the world, a world which hated Him, and He in turn has sent believers into the world, and in turn, the world will hate them; that is, if they are truly believers and love Him and desire to please Him as He pleased the Father, and realize that they also are on a mission to the world. See John 17:15-21.

The Lord Jesus, in verse 21, requested unity for the future believers (see also verse 11 and verse 22). These verses have been misused and abused by the promoters of the present ecumenical movement.

"Admittedly the divided church is in many ways a scandal. The cure, however, is not institutional union. Jesus was not praying for the unity of a single, worldwide, ecumenical church in which doctrinal heresy would be maintained along with orthodoxy. Instead, He was praying for the unity of love, a unity of obedience to God and His Word, and a united commitment to His will. There are great differences between uniformity, union, and unity." (Emphasis Mine)

The Bible Knowledge Commentary (NT), p. 333

All believers belong to the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13), and the world should know of their spiritual unity by their life style. This life style, whether the church or the world, is expressed through the greatest medium of expression we know, musical expression, the heart of this discussion. Nowhere in the Word of God am I encouraged to adopt the musical language that expresses the world that hates God and the believer, for as Dr. Bernstein wrote...."music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship...it is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying."

"When you take great theology and wed it to grand musicology, it ascends before God in magnificent doxology." Stephen Olford

--Robert Regal From the book: With the Voice of Singing

Additional Thoughts

On Worship

REVERENCE BEFORE THE AWE-INSPIRING GOD

If we are going to know God who is holy, we need to reverence and fear Him. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Prov. 1:7). Since God truly is such a unique and awesome Person, He ought to have our respect. When we speak of His Name and Fame we ought to have a healthy response that reverences Him because of who He is.

Worship is intimately connected with the reverence and fear of God. Worship means to prostrate oneself before God, to bend down, to bow down, to bend the knee and thus to bend the heart. "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our Maker" (Psalm 95:6).

We need to read the Bible with an understanding that God has all authority. He has the right to be worshipped and reverenced. The least I can do is hear what He says and respond to what He says in the right way. I may not understand all He says, but at least I will give Him reverence. I will bend my heart and bow before the authority of His Word.

The Bible describes God as a "terrible God." This means that He inspires terror, fear, dread. He is awe-inspiring, demanding our deepest respect because of WHO HE IS and WHAT HE HAS SAID. "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible [awe-inspiring]" (Deut. 10:17). "If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD" (Deut. 28:58). May He be your fear! May He be your dread! (Isaiah 8:13).

THE MISSING INGREDIENT

Whatever characterizes the religious attitude of our day, it is not reverence and awe. Rarely can one enter a church today, where the hustled silence in the atmosphere makes one conscious of the presence of Him who is a "consuming fire." The head bowed "waiting in silence for God only," the tuning of the heart, the tremulous expectancy have gone out of worship. A babble of voices and a discussion of trivial affairs is not an atmosphere conducive to doing business with the living God.

Here are some suggestions as you prepare for the worship service: 1. Remember that when the organ begins playing the prelude, God's people are to be silent. There is to be a "holy hush" as believers prepare their hearts to meet a holy God. Refrain from talking and chatting with your pew neighbor so that your mind will be centered on the Lord rather than on self and others. 2. The moments may be used for silent prayer—remembering yourself and your own heart attitude, the Pastor, the choir and the other worshippers. 3. The moments may be used for prayerful meditation—you could think upon a verse of Scripture or you could meditate upon what you learned from the Pastor's last message. 4. Remember the words from Psalm 46:10--"BE STILL, and know that I am God: I WILL BE EXALTED among the heathen, I WILL BE EXALTED in the earth."

HOW TO WORSHIP

Be silent. Be thoughtful.

Be reverent, for this is the house of the Lord.

Before the service, speak to God.

During the service, let God speak to you.

After the service, speak to one another.

LEARNING FROM THE ANGELS

"When we consider what glorious beings the angels are, and yet that they are but creatures of, and servants to, the God whom we serve, waiting before His Throne, and humbly attending His commands; this consideration, if we let it sink deeply into our hearts, must needs possess us with most awful apprehensions of the glorious majesty of our God at all times, but especially in our approaches to Him in His worship, and fill us with the greatest reverence and humility. With what reverence should we behave ourselves in our addresses to the Divine Majesty, before whom the Seraphim themselves hide their faces! And if they cover their feet, are conscious to themselves of their natural imperfection, compared to the infinitely glorious God; how should we clods of earth, we vile sinners, blush and be ashamed in His presence, assuming no confidence to ourselves, but what is founded on the mercies of God and the merits of our blessed Redeemer and Advocate, Jesus Christ!"--Bishop Bull (1634-1710)

IMPROVING THE PASTOR'S PREACHING

Sunday the sermon was sluggish, 'twas hard attention to keep.

The theme was faultily chosen, it almost put me to sleep.

Monday was blue with sheer boredom; Tuesday was carnal by choice.

Wednesday my conscience was wakened by pleas from a still small voice.

Prayer Meeting left me uplifted, loyalty lingering long.

Thursday my heart was responding; Friday His nudging was strong.

I came to thorough repentance the following Saturday;

I yielded in full surrender as all on the altar I lay.

Sunday the sermon was perfect, superb and quite at its peak;

Amazing how greatly the Pastor improved in the space of one week!

* * * * * Come with a prayerful attitude and a prepared heart. You will find it to be one of the best ways of improving the Pastor's preaching! There will be more POWER in the pulpit when there is more PRAYERFULNESS and PREPAREDNESS in the pew!

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To: Taliesan
A very excellent post. Thanks.
221 posted on 08/20/2003 9:08:52 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: AnalogReigns
Sorry I'm so ignorant but

what is

CCM?
222 posted on 08/20/2003 9:10:29 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Quix
I believe it is short for Contemporary Christian Music.
223 posted on 08/20/2003 9:11:26 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: RaceBannon
I heard a preacher tell a story the other day:

A young man had always dressed very casual. He could afford to dress finer but he didn't-it wasn't his style. He had tattoos and even went shoeless most of the time.

When he was in his second year of college he was introduced to the Lord. He decided to visit the church near his campus.

He did go one Sunday, arriving 30 minutes into the service. The church was packed, as always. He stood at the back of the church in his t-shirt, tattoos exposed, barefooted. The preacher, already into his sermon, could see him back there, trying to spot a seat. As the young man stepped forward, the preacher could hear the gasps as more and more people saw him and he wondered what would happen. As the young man got closer to the front of the church it was less likely he would find a seat. Instead of turning back though, all eyes watched as he reached the front of the aisle and simply sat down on the floor. The silence was deafening. A deacon, a very properly dressed man, mid 70's in age, stepped forward toward the young man on the floor. Yes, he would take care of this, the congregation was sure.

The deacon reached the young man's side and everyone watched as he gingerly lowered himself to the floor to sit beside the visitor-not easy at his age-and they listened to the rest of the sermon together. The words of the sermon that day will most likely be forgotten as time goes by but the lesson the deacon taught will be remembered for a long time.

The lesson is: You might be the only "bible" a person ever reads.
224 posted on 08/20/2003 9:17:15 AM PDT by sandlady
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To: RaceBannon
Fancy dress never enriched Christian worship in the first place, so its absence can't cheapen it. It's a social custom, for the sake of God only in the sense that it's for your neighbor. When you go to the doctor who is going to X-ray you, do you wear your so called "Sunday best" or only what's decent???

As for King David, he was SO busy worshiping that he didn't CARE what he wore. Robe getting clunky to dance in? Why, just yank it off! He was so rapt in God he didn't care how he looked. Which is the point. I sincerely doubt any modern worship sessions get THAT vigorous, to strip down to one's Fruit of the Looms :-)
225 posted on 08/20/2003 9:17:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: fightinJAG
He's a very precious, loving, gentle former Roman Catholic.

God surprised him with tongues in a service he was visiting one time. He and his wife are both precious.

But I think there are some lingering tidbits from the Romanish pomp and circumstance as well as some authoritarianism a bit.

Will be interesting.

Will let you know.

Have been praying about this issue and purposed to keep my mouth shut unless The Lord poked me good and hard to speak up about it.

He has. This thread!
226 posted on 08/20/2003 9:17:50 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: PleaseNoMore
Excellent points.
227 posted on 08/20/2003 9:18:42 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: MEGoody
Yeah, I'm rather sure. Will try and find it soonish.
228 posted on 08/20/2003 9:22:24 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
bookmark for later
229 posted on 08/20/2003 9:22:53 AM PDT by Maigrey (Watch your wallets! Socialists on the loose! They want your money for their pork!)
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To: RaceBannon
how in the world are peopls supposed to see they have changed what is in their heart?

Duh, let me hazard a guess... by how they ACT? :-)

230 posted on 08/20/2003 9:23:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: fightinJAG
"I did the "Sunday Best" thing growing up and all it did was turn church into a fashion show, which in turn became a way to judge peoples' means (i.e., how much money they had), which in turn led to treating rich people with more respect than poor people, which is conduct that displeases God."

Yes. I have come to the conclusion that church is a lot like High School was. The 'beautiful people' form their little cliques, the 'in crowd' becomes the 'core group' - the 'celebrities' that know everyone is watching them as they walk the 'red carpet' to the front rows to bask in their own glory. They only talk to each other, they run in their little crowds, they all stand where everyone can see them, on stage, all the time. The 'Christian' version of fame and fortune. They're typically the pastor's groupies as well.

To be so obsessed about clothes - other people's or your own, is a control freak sickness. Some people aren't happy unless they're trying to smash other people down, box them in, herd them according to their own version of reality.

I don't know how these people can be focused on God, myself. They never have time to look UP. They're too busy looking DOWN - on everyone else.

Romans, chapter 14 sums it all up pretty well for me.






231 posted on 08/20/2003 9:26:06 AM PDT by bluejean
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To: MEGoody
MAYBE YOUR PARTIALLY RIGHT.

I was thinking about the similar one in, I think, Isaiah. Checking . . .
232 posted on 08/20/2003 9:26:19 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon
What rock is saying in today's culture disqualifies it as a vehicle for spiritual communication.

To paint with a brush as broad as this is just ridiculous.

233 posted on 08/20/2003 9:29:44 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: PleaseNoMore
very fitting post!

Have you heard Peterson's CD--let me see . . .

ANDREW PETERSON: LOVE AND THUNDER

Especially JUST AS I AM

and

THE SILENCE OF GOD

AND

AFTER THE LAST TEAR FALLS

AND

JUST AS I AM

if that's the one about Christ breaking our hearts and planting the shards.

This CD really touched me deeply.
234 posted on 08/20/2003 9:31:50 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: MEGoody
HERE IT IS:

Isaiah 58
4 Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife,
and in striking each other with wicked fists.
You cannot fast as you do today
and expect your voice to be heard on high.
5 Is this the kind of fast I have chosen,
only a day for a man to humble himself?
Is it only for bowing one's head like a reed
and for lying on sackcloth and ashes?
Is that what you call a fast,
a day acceptable to the LORD ?

6 "Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
to loose the chains of injustice
and untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free
and break every yoke?
235 posted on 08/20/2003 9:36:10 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: RaceBannon; fightinJAG
I am amazed at howmany people will defend the cheapening of worship, the lack of spiritual music, and the casualness and lack of a need to dress to respect the place of Worship!

I play in a contemporary band at our church. I sing and play guitar and (God forbid) saxophone. We are in a fairly large, upper-class, and (also God forbid)Presbyterian church in Houston. It has been a struggle to say the least. There is one song about the very act of David and his worship called "Undignified", that we tried to play. The songs lyrics go something like "I will dance, I will sing, to be mad for my King because nothing, Lord, is hindering the passion in my soul." It also has a lot of Na-na-na-na's in it. We were told by the senior pastor not to play that song anymore, because it had no scriptural basis. We argued that fact, pointing to the exact reference in I Chronicles 15 where the event took place. We were told that we didn't have to raise the money around here, and that donations dropped significantly when that song was played. To which my worship band leader replied "THAT's what it's all about". She left a few weeks later. You cannot tell me that the modern church is not about money. I live through that aspect of it every day. Jesus would throw 90% of the leaders out of every church were He here today, just as he did with the moneychangers of His time. THAT is the issue. The "church" is scared of losing it's monetary basis. So we want people to look rich, so we can guilt them into putting more in the plate. God forbid that the guy who wanders in with blue jeans really NOT have a dime on him to give. GOD's TRUTH is that people can worship HIM with their sunday best on, or completely naked. God sees the heart only. He actually created us naked. Clothes are man's invention to cover his own self-created shame. Worship can only come from the heart. Clothing, casualness, do not hinder the true worshipper and his or her communion with God. In the same manner, giving, stewardship, and financial contribution can only come from the heart. Jesus accepted the widow's mite over all the riches that the people were bringing, because it represented the best, the first fruit, of what she had. It was EVERYTHING she had, and she gave it to Him. You need to look into your own spiritual life and ponder your heart of worship before you start looking into the closets of the rest of us. Maybe the feeling that your worship is being cheapened by what someone else is wearing is a reflection of your own relationship with God and those people whom you condemn. Open your heart to worship. Let Him meet you where you are. In no example in the New Testament did Jesus turn people away because they were not properly dressed.
236 posted on 08/20/2003 9:40:32 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb
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To: MEGoody
IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

INTERESTING that you construe yourself as

VERY ADEQUATE TO

TELL GOD HOW HE SHOULD HANDLE FLAWED TEETH.

I didn't realize you had such an exaustive understanding and awareness of 100% of God's thinking and feelings on the subject.

The evangelist related that he was often asked why God didn't just give new teeth and why God filled some with silver, some with Gold, some seemingly got new teeth etc. The evangelist said he didn't know. God had never told him. He was just being obedient to pray and do as God said.

The person who got their tooth filled was standing about 1 foot away from me when it happened. His mouth got warm just as the evangelist said might happen. He hadn't even known he needed a tooth filled. Went to the bathroom to check--and--voila--there was a bright new filling that he'd never had before.

What purpose would God have for spreading gold dust around?

TO SHOW FORTH HIS GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

and to upset RELIGIOUS sensibilities about what He would and wouldn't do.

I tell you for sure, religious types having lots of religious sensibilities--perhaps even one--are going to be very likely in a world of hurt in coming months and years of end time events. God is going to be doing lots of things in shockingly new ways. And many things that He's Never DONE BEFORE.
237 posted on 08/20/2003 9:40:52 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: PleaseNoMore
Thanks.
238 posted on 08/20/2003 9:41:42 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: sandlady
WONDERFUL STORY.

Will include it in the docs to my pastor.

Thanks.
239 posted on 08/20/2003 9:43:12 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: bluejean
Well said.
240 posted on 08/20/2003 9:45:26 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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