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Would Jesus want government to raise your taxes?
The Union Leader, Manchester, NH ^ | 8/19/03 | Stephen Moore

Posted on 08/19/2003 3:56:45 AM PDT by RJCogburn

YOU MAY BE following the political hullabaloo in Alabama where the new Republican governor wants to pass the biggest tax increase in the state’ s history and says he has a highly influential advocate supporting him: God.

Gov. Bob Riley says that it is his “Christian duty” to raise taxes (by 22 percent) in order to fund vital government services to help the poor.

“Jesus says one of our missions is to take care of the least among us,” says Riley. “We’ve got to take care of the poor.”

Fine, but that begs the question of whether raising taxes is a Christian response to tough times. The Bible seems to be ambiguous on this point. Supporters of the governor’s tax hike note that Jesus did preach: “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and to God that which is God’s.”

It’s also true that Jesus was anything but a fan of tax collectors.

The Bible does indeed call for us all to act charitably and aid the poor — this is the essence of living a Christian life. But an act of charity is by definition an action that is voluntary. Taxes aren’t voluntary. (Try not paying them, and see what happens.)

Moreover, liberal big government do-gooders are in many ways the ultimate hypocrites: to advance social justice they demand sacrifices of others that they will not take voluntarily themselves. For example, Warren Buffet recently and sanctimoniously wrote that he opposes the Bush tax cut and that rich people like him don’t need a tax cut. But when he was asked whether he would turn over the extra millions of dollars that will be returned to him from the Bush tax cut, he was deafeningly quiet.

One wonders whether Jesus would believe that there is a limit as to how much taxes someone should have to pay. The biblical tithing rate is 10 percent. Shouldn’t what is enough for God be enough for Uncle Sam and local governments? Today, the average household pays roughly 38 cents of every dollar earned in taxes at all levels of government. That is, we are already paying almost 4 times what the Bible declares is necessary to be charitable individuals.

Donald Hughes, of Jesus.Journal.com raises one last beguiling ethical question: “Who says that a tax hike is going to help the poor anyway?”

That ‘s the question that no liberal dares to answer. To the left, it is an article of faith that big government helps people. But if that were the case the most Christian and the richest country in the 20th century would have been either Mao’s China or the former Soviet Union. After all, those communistic regimes loved the poor so much that they virtually imposed a 100 percent tax on workers. What they produced was not aid to the poor, but a lot of poor people.

Studies show that the nations with the most liberty and the lowest taxes have the least amount of poverty. Free enterprise is a Christian economic system because it does a better job than any other system ever devised to feed and clothe and house the poor. If you don’t believe that, go to some of the countries that do not practice free enterprise and compare the living standards of their poor with ours.

One of the lessons of history is to beware politicians who claim that God is their co-pilot. Some of the most dastardly political leaders — Hitler and Osama bin Laden jump immediately to mind — have invoked the name of God in building support for their acts of violence and affronts against freedom, including religious freedom.

So, no there is no moral case for paying higher taxes. In fact, if Gov. Riley really wants to do his Christian duty and help the poor, he should try cutting taxes, not raising them. I can’t vouch that he would have the Bible on his side, but he would have the sound economic theory solidly behind him.


TOPICS: Government; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: bobriley; christianright; conservatism; religiousleft; socialism; stephenmoore
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1 posted on 08/19/2003 3:56:45 AM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
bttt
2 posted on 08/19/2003 4:00:33 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("what if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: RJCogburn
"It’s also true that Jesus was anything but a fan of tax collectors" Actually, it was money changers in the Temple.

When queried about taxes, Jesus said; "Why do you trouble me with such things? Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God what is God's."

Regards,

3 posted on 08/19/2003 4:31:19 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: RJCogburn
What happened to separation of church and state?
4 posted on 08/19/2003 4:32:02 AM PDT by EuroFrog (My hero is in Iraq)
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To: EuroFrog
What happened to separation of church and state?

Depends whose church it is, I guess.

5 posted on 08/19/2003 4:43:56 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: RJCogburn
It’s also true that Jesus was anything but a fan of tax collectors.

Poor dope. It's obvious he didn't bother to do any actual research himself.
6 posted on 08/19/2003 4:44:58 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: RJCogburn
Since raising taxes has been shown to cause revenues to stagnate and reducing taxes has been shown to make the tax coffers swell, isn't this pinhead acting in an unchristian way?

And I use "Pinhead" with all due respect. It's a lot better than the first term that came to mind.

7 posted on 08/19/2003 4:48:11 AM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: RJCogburn
The Governor just stepped in it up to his neck. He has admitted what many have suspected, that government has established a religion, "government", and appointed itself god over everyone else's charitable duty.

Politicians from the President on down love to speak of our "duty as Ameircans" to feed, clothe, medicate, the entire third world, an impossible task, while ignoring their own duty and oaths to those from whom they are robbing of their culture, history, self determination, national identity, resources, and hard earned cash.

Cali isn't the only state that needs to launch a recall election.
8 posted on 08/19/2003 5:04:55 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God what is God's."

Well, the trick there, you see, is that everything is God's, including Caesar himself.

9 posted on 08/19/2003 5:08:07 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Good comments which lead me to believe you don't think the (R) after his name is enough to earn him a pass.

Neither do I.
10 posted on 08/19/2003 5:14:37 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: aruanan
Matthew writing the Gospel

"Jesus saw a man called Matthew sitting at the tax office, and he said to him: Follow me." Jesus saw Matthew, not merely in the usual sense, but more significantly with his merciful understanding of men." He saw the tax collector and, because he saw him through the eyes of mercy and chose him, he said to him: "Follow me." This following meant imitating the pattern of his life - not just walking after him. Saint John tells us: "Whoever says he abides in Christ ought to walk in the same way in which he walked."

"And he rose and followed him." There is no reason for surprise that the tax collector abandoned earthly wealth as soon as the Lord commanded him. Nor should one be amazed that neglecting his wealth, he joined a band of men whose leader had, on Matthew's assessment, no riches at all. Our Lord summoned Matthew by speaking to him in words. By an invisible, interior impulse flooding his mind with the light of grace, he instructed him to walk in his footsteps. In this way Matthew could understand that Christ, who was summoning him away from earthly possessions, had incorruptible treasures of heaven in his gift.

from a homily by Saint Bede the Venerable

11 posted on 08/19/2003 5:22:52 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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The biblical tithing rate is 10 percent. Shouldn’t what is enough for God be enough for Uncle Sam and local governments? .

I don't believe in divine origins of the Bible, but I'd happily campaign for a Consitutional amendment to enshrine the 10% limit in the law of the land.

Today, the average household pays roughly 38 cents of every dollar earned in taxes at all levels of government. That is, we are already paying almost 4 times what the Bible declares is necessary to be charitable individuals

And if they tithe to their church or synagogue, their paying closer to 5 times.

12 posted on 08/19/2003 5:25:37 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: RJCogburn
 

Luke Chapter 5

27After this he went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax booth. And he said to him, "Follow me." 28And leaving everything, he rose and followed him.
29And Levi made him a great feast in his house, and there was a large company of tax collectors and others reclining at table with them. 30And the Pharisees and their scribes grumbled at his disciples, saying, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."

Sounds like Gov. Bob Riley is in need of some healing!

13 posted on 08/19/2003 5:36:41 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Apparently, Jesus was a pretty smart guy.

Even he believed in the separation of Church and State. ("Render unto Caesar, the things that are Caesar’s; and to God, the things that are God’s." That is a pretty clear statement.)

Basically, we are all commanded, by God, to do good works. We are commanded by the State to obey the laws.

When the State compels charity, or chooses to act as the instrument of charity, then we have, essentially, begun legislating morality.

Legislating morality appears to be an anathema to the Left, when it comes to things like infanticide, suicide, sodomy, bestiality, etc. However, when it comes to the creation of a welfare state boondoggle (which has eviscerated the sense of family, community and personal responsibility in vast segments of our society), or when it comes to “hate speech”, or politically correct thought, then we just can’t seem to do enough legislation of morality.

I don’t think I will ever be able to figure out the Left, but when it comes to what Jesus would say, I believe he already has said it, “Render unto Caesar, the things that are Caesar’s; and to God, the things that are God’s.”

14 posted on 08/19/2003 5:42:55 AM PDT by steve in DC
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To: RJCogburn
Would Jesus smoke? Would Jesus want you to clean up after your dog when you take it for a walk? Would Jesus pay taxes? Would Jesus shop at Walmart? Would Jesus drink soda pop? Would Jesus encourage you to exercise? Would Jesus vote Democrat or Republican? Would go to the movies? Would Jesus...
15 posted on 08/19/2003 5:43:37 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: RJCogburn
Would Jesus want government to raise your taxes?

A question very similar to that has already been asked of Him.

16 posted on 08/19/2003 5:56:32 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: RJCogburn
That is the new thing. Would Jesus drive an SUV, eat French fries, give tax cut to the rich,......
17 posted on 08/19/2003 6:01:37 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: RJCogburn
No, I don't believe an individual should be allowed to hide behind a political party when he is wrong. If you allow your principles to slip that much it only leads to more compromise in which the American citizen continues to lose big.
18 posted on 08/19/2003 6:03:19 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: RJCogburn
God takes 10%, why would the gov't need more?
19 posted on 08/19/2003 6:06:05 AM PDT by stainlessbanner (If you don't live in Dixie, you're just Camping Out)
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The Christian Coalition is too involved with the politics of this world. They like a certain governor and support his taxes raises for work they think needs to be done. What they fail to recognize is that it is government that has ruined many fine charitable institutions and replaced them with the welfare state.

When the government funds a program it dictates the content. Christian organizations provide material assistance to the poor but the real work is on the soul to change the person. Typically the poor and the homeless are what they are do to poor judgment, wrong priorities and sinful activities. Only by changing the person's world view will they permanently change their general welfare. The government with its anti-Christain attitudes restricts life changing messages that used to be part of private charities thus subsidizing destructive behavior patterns and offering no real help i.e. a change of character.

Also what makes them believe the new taxes will actually go to the poor? How gullible of them. Like the tobacco law suit money was going for health care. When pols get new moneys they spend it on what is personally politically advantageous first, second on what is profitable to their cronies and large campaign contributors and on the welfare programs lastly if at all.

The C.C. should also think of the morality of forcibly taking others peoples' income for purposes they deem worthy. By their current reasoning Marxism is as Christian and desirable as it gets.

20 posted on 08/19/2003 6:09:08 AM PDT by u-89
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