Posted on 08/18/2003 8:49:56 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
It started with the arrival of German immigrants in the 1930s. Originally, it was fairly benign, giving the newcomers structure and a sense of kinship with the land they had left. But after World War II exposed the horrors of the Nazi regime, Nazism in America became a voice of hate and exclusion.
NAZI AMERICA is a feature-length profile of a fringe party that exploits the very freedoms they would abolish in order to get their racist, hate-filled message out. See how vitriolic leaders embraced Hitler's doctrine of Aryan superiority and the elimination of Jewry to rally the disenfranchised. Trace the history of the American Nazi Party and the many Neo-Nazi parties active today. Members speak of why they embrace a cause universally reviled, while law enforcement officers reveal how they fight the spread of the Nazi influence in America.
Filled with shocking footage and unflinching commentary, NAZI AMERICA: A SECRET HISTORY pulls the wraps off decades of hate and discrimination in our midst.
I read Jerry Spence's book (Spence is the leftist/libertarian lawyer who represented Weaver), and I really do think the one's in charge intended to murder the Weavers, at least after the U.S. Marshall was killed, a killing which was self defense in my opinion.
Certainly after the Marshall was killed, but I don't think that was necessarily the case before.
That said, the Ruby Ridge case is indeed a very low point in our history. The Weavers should have been left alone.
What do you mean ?---
1. The U.S. Marshals fired first.
2. The U.S. Marshals killed the Weaver boy by a shot in the back as he ran toward the cabin.
3. The Marshals did not have a warrant and did not have LEO marking on clothing.
4. Lon Horiuchi, FBI sniper, killed Vickie Weaver from ambush ---the FBI did not announce their presence or ask anyone to surrender.
Source -- Idaho v. Horiuchi, No. 98-30149, -9 th Circuit Court of appeals, 5 June 2001
Got it in one.
"They should do a little more work on the far more numerous, better-connected and more successful American Marxists."
Agreed--but DON'T hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
The Nazis are of the Right? Nazi is a short form of National Socialist Workers Party.
You seem to have bought into the Leftist cant that rascist authoritarism is right-wing.
Right-wing political thought in America is based on adherance to the Constituion.
I can think of a few--KKK leader Michael McQueeney, Mercer WI. National Socialists in Minnesota (Minneapolis-based, I do believe) with members in WI. World Church of the Creator--now the "Creativity Movement," with one of the leaders living in South Milwaukee (their leader, Matt Hale, is awaiting trial for conspiring to kill a federal judge). Posse Comatitus, Shawano County WI (and in other counties in WI).
Why do you ask?
Actually, it went through the window of the door on the porch that Vicki Weaver was holding open as Weaver and his friend were running to the house after being fired on by Horiuchi, from ambush.
The Court Case emphasized that only Horiuchi fired any FBI shots (also, there were no shots fired from the Weaver cabin.)
The actual situation was that the fed stingers asked WEAVER to make THEM a short shotgun, not the other way around. The showgun weaver produced had a barrel of exactly the minimum length, but the overall length was a teeny bit too short.
Whether it was Weaver who made it too short, or whether it "shrank" once the feds had it is open to dispute. Obviously, Weaver had no intention of making an illegal shotgun, otherwise he would have made it a lot shorter
I mean, when you take into consideration all that had happened in the months prior to the seige, the government was not entirely unjustified in thinking that Weavers would meet them with gunfire.
This site tells a tale (which seems rather well-balanced) of an apocolyptic clan whose matriarch, Vicky, had taken to "writing letters to government agencies peppered with phrases like 'The tyrant's blood shall flow' and 'Whether we live or die we will not obey you…war is upon our land.'"
This of course does not justify what the government ultimately ended up doing. It does, however, explain very well why they took the heavily-armed approach in the first place.
You didn't say it was a rhetorical question. You asked:
Does anyone on this website know of any KKK or Neo-Nazi hate groups in your region?
And I said I did--and named them.
And if you want to see representatives of two of the groups I named--the KKK and the National Socialists (the proper name for them is National Socialist Movement), they'll be in Indianapolis on August 24. Lucky Indianapolis, huh?
And I did read your entire post. In fact, ALF and ELF have been active in this state & the UP in previous years. Because local, state and federal authorities have cracked down on them--and putting a few in the slammer for extensive periods--they've found my state to be a bit too hot for them. And I'm damn glad.
The shotguns are not illegal per se, they are simply subject to a $5 AOW tax or an SBS $200.00 tax.
Randy Weaver was killed over a $200.00 Tax issue.
Here's a scarier thought. Can you imagine the IRS operating on the same principles as the ATF ? Burning people out of their homes for a 'suspected' tax shortcoming ?
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