Posted on 08/17/2003 9:03:38 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000
Sniper suspect is large white man
By Tom Searls and Charles Shumaker STAFF REPORTERS
Police speculated Friday that a large, white male driving a black pickup with an extended cab may be responsible for Thursday night’s killings outside two Kanawha County convenience stores, and possibly others.
Kanawha Sheriff Dave Tucker said at a Friday afternoon media conference that the killer “could be a possible serial-type murderer.”
Both victims of Thursday night’s convenience store shootings, Jeanie Patton, 31, and Okey Meadows, 26, were shot in the head area in a manner similar to the shooting of Gary Carrier Jr., 44, who was shot outside a Charleston convenience store Sunday night.
Initial tests of the bullets in all three shootings revealed the same characteristics, but investigators have not concluded the bullets were fired from the same weapon, said Kanawha County Chief Deputy Phil Morris.
“That’s one step closer to saying they come from the same gun,” Morris said. “We’ve just moved a big step closer.”
The State Police tests, which were completed late Friday evening, linked the three bullets to small-caliber weapons, Morris said. He declined to elaborate on the results of the preliminary tests. State Police weapon analysts will return today to continue testing the bullet fragments.
Patton was gunned down while pumping gas outside the Speedway convenience store on Campbells Creek Drive about 10:25 p.m.
Less than hour later, and about 10 miles away, Meadows was fatally shot outside a Cedar Grove convenience store.
Patton was shot in the head and Meadows was shot in the neck, police said.
Investigators think the two Campbells Creek residents were shot from a distance with a small-caliber rifle.
The Cedar Grove shots were fired from a distance of 60-70 yards, Morris said. “We don’t believe a handgun was used,” he said.
A person also at the Cedar Grove store was reportedly closer to the shooter than Meadows.
Patton was probably shot from a distance of 30 to 35 yards away, Morris said.
Investigators hope further ballistics tests will confirm or disprove that the bullets were fired from the same weapon. Despite the similarities found in the initial tests, it is possible different weapons were used in the three murders.
Carrier, of South Charleston, died after being shot in the head while standing outside a Go-Mart on Charleston’s West Side late Sunday.
City detectives said the bullet that killed Carrier was also fired from a small-caliber weapon.
Charleston police Chief Jerry Pauley — who attended a sheriff’s media conference Friday, along with representatives from the State Police, South Charleston police, the FBI and the ATF — said the Sunday shooting might be related to the Thursday night slayings.
“It could’ve been [by the same person],” Pauley said. “That fragment of a bullet was taken to the State Police lab to be checked.”
The combined police agencies formed a task force to investigate the homicides together and set up a headquarters at Charleston’s Air National Guard base, where they met Friday night, Morris said.
The full-sized black pickup might be the agencies’ best evidence, so far, Morris said. It was seen outside the Cedar Grove store, and a person told police they also saw it near the Campbells Creek shooting.
“The truck had been [parked outside the Go-Mart] about 20 minutes, and moved from one end of the lot to the other, where it drew attention,” Morris said. “Something just didn’t seem to right about that pickup.”
A witness told police he was certain the shots fired at Meadows came from the truck. “As soon as that shot was made, [Meadows] dropped to the ground and the vehicle sped away, spinning its tires,” Morris said.
While witnesses at Campbells Creek had told police about seeing a Corsica speeding away, investigators later discovered the black pickup also had been seen there. “That truck was spotted in the Campbells Creek area, fitting that description,” Morris said.
That also was the only sighting, if ever so slight, of the person authorities are looking for, the chief deputy said. “The information we do have is, it’s a larger, white male,” Morris said.
The suspect would not need to be an “exceptional shot” to hit the mark from about 70 yards away with a rifle, police said.
However, Morris said: “That was a difficult shot, no question about it.”
Both of Thursday night’s victims lived in Campbells Creek, but investigators do not believe they knew one another. However, because the two “lived basically in the same area” and “it’s very, very early in the investigation,” they have not ruled that out, Morris said.
Meanwhile, investigators have nearly ruled out any relationship with the March slaying of 29-year-old Randy Burgess outside the Kanawha City Kroger store. Burgess was shot with a high-powered rifle while leaving the store. No arrests have been made in Burgess’ shooting.
Tucker conceded, however, that a sniper suspect could have more than one weapon. “Everything’s possible when you’re dealing with an individual like this,” the sheriff said.
He said safety should be the main thing on the minds of area residents. State Police, sheriff’s deputies and municipal police will be increasing their presence near late-night convenience stores, especially those with gasoline pumps.
“We’ve increased the patrols like you wouldn’t believe,” Tucker said.
Morris and Tucker warned people to be cautious and to travel with at least one other person if they have to be out late at night. As a precaution, they advised motorists not to fill up late at night if they can avoid it.
“I would continue what I have been doing,” Morris said.
Police throughout Kanawha County have fielded calls about other shootings possibly related to Sunday and Thursday’s shootings, but none of those has proven true, Metro 911 officials said.
Anyone with information about the shootings should call 357-0169.
To contact staff writers Tom Searls and Charles Shumaker, use e-mail or call 348-5100.
They've edited that down to "angry, white, middle-aged male, probably fundamentalist Christian NRA member" now. Good catch though...the author forgot to put in the token "fundamentalist Christian NRA member" part.
serial demChiComCrimo-Rats prefer mouse guns.
Gee, which demChiComCrimo-Rat do you mean ?
Did she used to be known as Ms Prezidente
Here is an earlier thread:
Despite receiving hundreds of phone calls since two people were gunned down outside convenience stores Thursday night, Kanawha County authorities would like to get a call from the man seen driving a black pickup. “I would like to ask the person in the black truck to contact me personally, whether he’s involved or not,” Chief Deputy Phil Morris said Saturday. “I need that information.” The full-sized black pickup with gold trim on the bottom has become a key piece of evidence for police in the investigation of three people gunned down in a four-day period outside convenience stores. ...
The pickup became a key factor in the cases when a witness at the Cedar Grove shooting told police the pickup was parked outside the Go-Mart for about 20 minutes before Meadows, a Campbells Creek resident, was shot. That truck sped off when the shot was fired, Morris said. The witness heard a gunshot, saw Meadows fall, “and was looking right at the truck and said there wasn’t anyone standing outside on the passenger side and it moved out and pulled out almost immediately with the tires spinning,” Morris said. That witness described the driver as a large, or heavy-set white male. Although the witness, who has not been identified by police, did not see the license plate, Morris believes it is a valid sighting.
“They were adamant about the extended cab,” he said. “They were adamant about the trim. They were adamant about the person, and they were adamant he was not outside the passenger side of the truck.”
60-70 yards and 30-35 yards. This is not a well-trained individual, probably mediocre to average. Also it is telling that they are picking such short ranges.
The suspect would not need to be an "exceptional shot" to hit the mark from about 70 yards away with a rifle, police said. However, (Kanawha County Chief Deputy Phil Morris) Morris said: "That was a difficult shot, no question about it."
"difficult" ? ? The County Chief has a hidden agenda or does NOT have a clue.
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The Beltway Sniper Killings Equal Zebra Killings II?
Toogood Reports ^ | 25 October 2002 | Nicholas Stix
Posted on 10/24/2002 8:00 PM PDT by mrustow
Toogood Reports [Weekender, October 27, 2002; 12:01 a.m. EST]
URL: http://ToogoodReports.com/
The profilers — the "experts" — all told us that the Beltway Sniper was a white man, from 20-30 years of age, likely a racist, gun collector. Instead, the main suspect — excuse me, "person of interest" in custody, is 41-year-old black supremacist, John Allen Williams, aka John Allen Muhammad. Williams/Muhammad, a Gulf War veteran, earned the title of "expert" marksman while in the army. The other suspect, who was arrested with Williams/Muhammad, is 17-year-old John Lee Malvo, reportedly a Jamaican citizen, and may be Williams/Muhammad's son or stepson. Reportedly, the turning point in the investigation was the linking of Malvo to a September 21 double-shooting at a Montgomery, Alabama, liquor store, in which one woman was killed and another critically wounded.
Williams/Muhammad offered to work security for the Nation of Islam's 1995 Million Man March hatefest, which evoked Hitler's 1930s Nuremberg Nazi rallies. The NOI's founder, Wallace Fard (1903?-1933?), preached that he would pay the passage to Mecca of any black man who murdered a white.
The moment I heard on Wednesday night that the main "person of interest" was a black supremacist, I thought of the "Zebra Killings."
During the early 1970s until 1974, anywhere from 14 to 270 murders of whites were carried out up and down the California coast by approximately 15 members of the Black Muslims, who are now known as the Nation of Islam. The murders became known as the "Zebra Killings" because police working the case used frequency "Z." Many people thought that the term "Zebra" referred to the fact that the crimes were all white-on-black murders.
The Black Muslims were led from circa 1933 until 1975, by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad/Elijah Poole; the since renamed Nation of Islam is led by Min. Louis Farrakhan. Five of the killers, or as they called themselves, Death Angels, were caught and convicted: Jesse Lee Cooks, J.C.X. Simon, Larry Green, Manuel Moore and Anthony Harris, on Harris' testimony.
However, there were fifteen or more Zebra killers. As Clark Howard chronicled in his book, Zebra: The True Account of the 179 Days of Terror in San Francisco, the killers received help from fellow Black Muslims, and the Black Muslims paid the legal fees of all of the arrestees except for Harris. There would otherwise have been no way for them to elude capture. Two of the reasons contributing to the Zebra killers' success were the authorities' political cowardice in covering-up their knowledge of organized racial, mass murder, and their refusal to keep houses of worship under surveillance (sound familiar?).
The City and County of San Francisco claims that the Zebra killers murdered 14 people. Louis Calabro, however, who was a San Fancisco P.D. sergeant at the time, wrote Toogood Reports,
"The correct numbers for the Zebra victims are 23 attacks in San Francisco, and 15 died. The first murdered victim, Quita (nee Perilli-Minetti) Hague, and her husband were abducted and taken to an isolated area of San Francisco, near 25 Street and Minnesota by the RR tracks and she was almost decapitated with a machete as she pleaded for her life. Her husband Richard survived the machete attack.
"The California State Department of Criminal Information confirmed that there were 71 similar murders throughout California at that time.
"The author of the only book on the subject, Clark Howard ... wrote, after interviews with the suspects, police etc., that he believed there were almost 270 such killings."
When the San Francisco Police Department finally mobilized against the Zebra killers, black San Franciscans were outraged at the police, and showed no compassion for the white victims.
And yet, while homicidal hatred may start with a specific target group, it will not be limited or tamed.
The Beltway Sniper demanded that $10 million be sent to the account of a stolen credit card. Al Qaeda-type terrorists have never demanded money. And earlier genocidal black supremacists, most notably Marcus M. Garvey (1887-1940), the founder of the Universal Negro Improvement Association and the Back-to-Africa movement, did not want the white man's money. Since the 1960s' welfare revolution, however, black supremacists have fallen as much in love with extorting money out of whites, as they already were with the idea of slaughtering all whites. The best-known contemporary black supremacist demand, is for reparations of up to $1M to be paid to every black man, woman, and child in America. A few years ago, Nation of Islam leader Min. Louis Farrakhan demanded that blacks be paid billions of dollars by the American government, and given a large piece of land for their own nation.
While the mainstream media have broadcast black reparations demands unchallenged, they have refused to publicize the black supremacist ideology — in particular, the genocidal theory and practice — behind the demands. Today, the two, seemingly incompatible ideas of racial extortion and genocide exist side by side, in black supremacist thought and practice.
In recent years, racial murders by unorganized black supremacists have become routine, but are almost never reported as such. Instead, they are reported as "robberies gone wrong" or assaults with fatal results, often without citing the respective races of the victim and killer. Frequently, major newspapers misrepresent the nature of such killings, by refusing to report racist statements made by the killers. David Horowitz' web site http://www.frontpagemag.com long featured a section on "Politically Incorrect Crimes," which Horowitz has inexplicably dropped. A very partial listing of some such crimes is available at the web site of American Renaissance magazine.
Many observers will, no doubt, argue that a gunman killing members of all races, including blacks, "doesn't fit the profile" of a racial supremacist.
People are bound to keep on talking, with straight faces, of "profiles." It's human nature. However, keep in mind, that in the past, the primary victims of genocidal black supremacists were ... other blacks. If Marcus Garvey treated his enemies badly, he treated his friends much worse. The paranoid Garvey left a trail of blood, often the blood of allies, in his wake. And during the period of the Zebra killings, a schism within the Black Muslims led to at least 13 murders of fellow Muslims, according to Arthur Magida, in his book, Prophet of Rage: A Life of Louis Farrakhan and His Nation.
From 1974-1976 in Nassau County, I was a token white in the federally-funded, black supremacist Youth Justice Program. In the YJP's 1975 summer program, all participants were given Sam Greenlee's 1969, James-Bond-in-blackface novel, The Spook Who Sat by the Door.
In Spook, the hero, "Freeman" (get it?), the first black CIA agent, organizes black youth gangs in all of America's cities, whom he leads in a bloody, racial revolution. Freeman kills his best friend, "Dawson," a police detective, when he refuses to go over to Freeman's side.
Note that Greenlee's novel was acclaimed by the mainstream media ("Deadly" — Newsweek, and "Blends James Bond parody with wit and rage," according to Time, on the 1990 reprint's cover.) When whites have written similar stories in which the heroes are white, they have been condemned as racist madmen.
The middle-class YJP counselors, most notably a spoiled, Harvard psychology student, insisted that Spook was not only great literature, but a realistic plan of action. In the intervening 27 years, the ranks of those blacks who agree with them have swelled, as have their insane rationalizations and targets.
NO!! Not the 'terminator'!! :)
You can call it a lot of things but it ain't sniping. At a few hundred yards, you can call it sniping.
These were black serial killers, to be sure, but they were also black Muslim serial killers. Their targets were infidels, because many consider themselves the new Master Race cleansing the world. Williams/Mohammad and Malvo sure did.
This isn't the result of "profilers" sitting around twiddling their thumbs while trying to maintain political correctness. The description of an overweight white man comes straight from witness IDs, nothing more.
Besides, not to put too fine a point on it, but the white/black percentage in Charleston, WV is ~81/15. (In West Virginia overall, it's ~95/3.) In Washington it's ~31/60. The chances of the West Virginia sniper being black are far lower than it ever was in the DC metro area.
It was one of the top stories on Fox last night.
The fact-finding commission immediately concluded that the sniper was in fact a White, Christian male, probably a Republican, too. They refused to elaborate on their findings when questioned as the crier had called out for the Salaah to commence and prayer was begining...
Now that you put it that way, I have newfound compassion for Moose. Anyone who drinks Coors p--s water deserves to be profiled. In fact, whereas the Founding Fathers foresaw an extremely limited federal role in law enforcement, I'm sure they would have approved of the harshest federal criminal penalties being imposed on those who traffic in, possess, or imbibe Coors products.
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