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Sniper suspect is large white man; Shooter might be serial killer, sheriff says (Police profiling)
The Charleston Gazette ^

Posted on 08/17/2003 9:03:38 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000

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To: Tacis
"Don't the media rules (journalistic ethics) require that any every suggestion of a white killer be followed by a guess as to his membership in a 'religious, right wing, militia group,' and possible ownership of an 'arsenal of automatic, rapid fire, multiple shot assault weapons?' "

They've edited that down to "angry, white, middle-aged male, probably fundamentalist Christian NRA member" now. Good catch though...the author forgot to put in the token "fundamentalist Christian NRA member" part.

21 posted on 08/17/2003 9:58:13 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
small-caliber weapon

serial demChiComCrimo-Rats prefer mouse guns.

22 posted on 08/17/2003 10:08:02 AM PDT by AeWingnut (Soccer: a symptom of a greater ill)
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To: cardinal4
The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets

Gee, which demChiComCrimo-Rat do you mean ?
Did she used to be known as Ms Prezidente

23 posted on 08/17/2003 10:11:50 AM PDT by AeWingnut (Soccer: a symptom of a greater ill)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Thanks for keeping us updated, sonsofliberty2000.

Here is an earlier thread:

2 gunned down by Sniper in WV

24 posted on 08/17/2003 10:14:15 AM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
"Sniper suspect is large white man"

And duh, uh, Chief Cheesey Moose said police would not be racial profiling to omit Blacks and concentrate on honky males who, smoke unfiltered Camels, drink Coors beer, and drive around with NRA bumper stickers displayed on their white vans.
25 posted on 08/17/2003 10:14:35 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
OH1 I'm indexing THIS thread!!
26 posted on 08/17/2003 10:18:07 AM PDT by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: flutters; sonsofliberty2000
Charleston Sunday Gazette-Mail:

Despite receiving hundreds of phone calls since two people were gunned down outside convenience stores Thursday night, Kanawha County authorities would like to get a call from the man seen driving a black pickup. “I would like to ask the person in the black truck to contact me personally, whether he’s involved or not,” Chief Deputy Phil Morris said Saturday. “I need that information.” The full-sized black pickup with gold trim on the bottom has become a key piece of evidence for police in the investigation of three people gunned down in a four-day period outside convenience stores. ...

The pickup became a key factor in the cases when a witness at the Cedar Grove shooting told police the pickup was parked outside the Go-Mart for about 20 minutes before Meadows, a Campbells Creek resident, was shot. That truck sped off when the shot was fired, Morris said. The witness heard a gunshot, saw Meadows fall, “and was looking right at the truck and said there wasn’t anyone standing outside on the passenger side and it moved out and pulled out almost immediately with the tires spinning,” Morris said. That witness described the driver as a large, or heavy-set white male. Although the witness, who has not been identified by police, did not see the license plate, Morris believes it is a valid sighting.

“They were adamant about the extended cab,” he said. “They were adamant about the trim. They were adamant about the person, and they were adamant he was not outside the passenger side of the truck.”

27 posted on 08/17/2003 10:27:35 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: cardinal4
It is...I saw it on CNN last nite.
28 posted on 08/17/2003 10:34:00 AM PDT by Bella
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The Cedar Grove shots were fired from a distance of 60-70 yards, Morris said. "We don't believe a handgun was used," he said. A person also at the Cedar Grove store was reportedly closer to the shooter than Meadows. Patton was probably shot from a distance of 30 to 35 yards away, Morris said.

60-70 yards and 30-35 yards. This is not a well-trained individual, probably mediocre to average. Also it is telling that they are picking such short ranges.

The suspect would not need to be an "exceptional shot" to hit the mark from about 70 yards away with a rifle, police said. However, (Kanawha County Chief Deputy Phil Morris) Morris said: "That was a difficult shot, no question about it."

"difficult" ? ? The County Chief has a hidden agenda or does NOT have a clue.

TLI

29 posted on 08/17/2003 10:40:34 AM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: RandallFlagg
You must be a Stephen King fan or at least somewhat of one. I'm currently reading the Dark Tower series.
30 posted on 08/17/2003 10:45:57 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000
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To: cake_crumb
Exactimiento. During the D.C. murders, while the mainstream media parrotted their party line, some Internet journalists showed that the real numbers on black serial killers had been dishonestly pushed down. For instance, officially the California Zebra Killers murdered only 14 whites; the real number was more like 270, according to Clark Howard's 1979 book, Zebra.

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The Beltway Sniper Killings Equal Zebra Killings II?
Toogood Reports ^ | 25 October 2002 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 10/24/2002 8:00 PM PDT by mrustow

Toogood Reports [Weekender, October 27, 2002; 12:01 a.m. EST]
URL: http://ToogoodReports.com/

The profilers — the "experts" — all told us that the Beltway Sniper was a white man, from 20-30 years of age, likely a racist, gun collector. Instead, the main suspect — excuse me, "person of interest" in custody, is 41-year-old black supremacist, John Allen Williams, aka John Allen Muhammad. Williams/Muhammad, a Gulf War veteran, earned the title of "expert" marksman while in the army. The other suspect, who was arrested with Williams/Muhammad, is 17-year-old John Lee Malvo, reportedly a Jamaican citizen, and may be Williams/Muhammad's son or stepson. Reportedly, the turning point in the investigation was the linking of Malvo to a September 21 double-shooting at a Montgomery, Alabama, liquor store, in which one woman was killed and another critically wounded.

Williams/Muhammad offered to work security for the Nation of Islam's 1995 Million Man March hatefest, which evoked Hitler's 1930s Nuremberg Nazi rallies. The NOI's founder, Wallace Fard (1903?-1933?), preached that he would pay the passage to Mecca of any black man who murdered a white.

The moment I heard on Wednesday night that the main "person of interest" was a black supremacist, I thought of the "Zebra Killings."

During the early 1970s until 1974, anywhere from 14 to 270 murders of whites were carried out up and down the California coast by approximately 15 members of the Black Muslims, who are now known as the Nation of Islam. The murders became known as the "Zebra Killings" because police working the case used frequency "Z." Many people thought that the term "Zebra" referred to the fact that the crimes were all white-on-black murders.

The Black Muslims were led from circa 1933 until 1975, by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad/Elijah Poole; the since renamed Nation of Islam is led by Min. Louis Farrakhan. Five of the killers, or as they called themselves, Death Angels, were caught and convicted: Jesse Lee Cooks, J.C.X. Simon, Larry Green, Manuel Moore and Anthony Harris, on Harris' testimony.

However, there were fifteen or more Zebra killers. As Clark Howard chronicled in his book, Zebra: The True Account of the 179 Days of Terror in San Francisco, the killers received help from fellow Black Muslims, and the Black Muslims paid the legal fees of all of the arrestees except for Harris. There would otherwise have been no way for them to elude capture. Two of the reasons contributing to the Zebra killers' success were the authorities' political cowardice in covering-up their knowledge of organized racial, mass murder, and their refusal to keep houses of worship under surveillance (sound familiar?).

The City and County of San Francisco claims that the Zebra killers murdered 14 people. Louis Calabro, however, who was a San Fancisco P.D. sergeant at the time, wrote Toogood Reports,

"The correct numbers for the Zebra victims are 23 attacks in San Francisco, and 15 died. The first murdered victim, Quita (nee Perilli-Minetti) Hague, and her husband were abducted and taken to an isolated area of San Francisco, near 25 Street and Minnesota by the RR tracks and she was almost decapitated with a machete as she pleaded for her life. Her husband Richard survived the machete attack.

"The California State Department of Criminal Information confirmed that there were 71 similar murders throughout California at that time.

"The author of the only book on the subject, Clark Howard ... wrote, after interviews with the suspects, police etc., that he believed there were almost 270 such killings."

When the San Francisco Police Department finally mobilized against the Zebra killers, black San Franciscans were outraged at the police, and showed no compassion for the white victims.

And yet, while homicidal hatred may start with a specific target group, it will not be limited or tamed.

The Beltway Sniper demanded that $10 million be sent to the account of a stolen credit card. Al Qaeda-type terrorists have never demanded money. And earlier genocidal black supremacists, most notably Marcus M. Garvey (1887-1940), the founder of the Universal Negro Improvement Association and the Back-to-Africa movement, did not want the white man's money. Since the 1960s' welfare revolution, however, black supremacists have fallen as much in love with extorting money out of whites, as they already were with the idea of slaughtering all whites. The best-known contemporary black supremacist demand, is for reparations of up to $1M to be paid to every black man, woman, and child in America. A few years ago, Nation of Islam leader Min. Louis Farrakhan demanded that blacks be paid billions of dollars by the American government, and given a large piece of land for their own nation.

While the mainstream media have broadcast black reparations demands unchallenged, they have refused to publicize the black supremacist ideology — in particular, the genocidal theory and practice — behind the demands. Today, the two, seemingly incompatible ideas of racial extortion and genocide exist side by side, in black supremacist thought and practice.

In recent years, racial murders by unorganized black supremacists have become routine, but are almost never reported as such. Instead, they are reported as "robberies gone wrong" or assaults with fatal results, often without citing the respective races of the victim and killer. Frequently, major newspapers misrepresent the nature of such killings, by refusing to report racist statements made by the killers. David Horowitz' web site http://www.frontpagemag.com long featured a section on "Politically Incorrect Crimes," which Horowitz has inexplicably dropped. A very partial listing of some such crimes is available at the web site of American Renaissance magazine.

Many observers will, no doubt, argue that a gunman killing members of all races, including blacks, "doesn't fit the profile" of a racial supremacist.

People are bound to keep on talking, with straight faces, of "profiles." It's human nature. However, keep in mind, that in the past, the primary victims of genocidal black supremacists were ... other blacks. If Marcus Garvey treated his enemies badly, he treated his friends much worse. The paranoid Garvey left a trail of blood, often the blood of allies, in his wake. And during the period of the Zebra killings, a schism within the Black Muslims led to at least 13 murders of fellow Muslims, according to Arthur Magida, in his book, Prophet of Rage: A Life of Louis Farrakhan and His Nation.

From 1974-1976 in Nassau County, I was a token white in the federally-funded, black supremacist Youth Justice Program. In the YJP's 1975 summer program, all participants were given Sam Greenlee's 1969, James-Bond-in-blackface novel, The Spook Who Sat by the Door.

In Spook, the hero, "Freeman" (get it?), the first black CIA agent, organizes black youth gangs in all of America's cities, whom he leads in a bloody, racial revolution. Freeman kills his best friend, "Dawson," a police detective, when he refuses to go over to Freeman's side.

Note that Greenlee's novel was acclaimed by the mainstream media ("Deadly" — Newsweek, and "Blends James Bond parody with wit and rage," according to Time, on the 1990 reprint's cover.) When whites have written similar stories in which the heroes are white, they have been condemned as racist madmen.

The middle-class YJP counselors, most notably a spoiled, Harvard psychology student, insisted that Spook was not only great literature, but a realistic plan of action. In the intervening 27 years, the ranks of those blacks who agree with them have swelled, as have their insane rationalizations and targets.

31 posted on 08/17/2003 10:47:34 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Ed Straker
Arnold Schwartzenegger is the sniper.

NO!! Not the 'terminator'!! :)

32 posted on 08/17/2003 10:56:18 AM PDT by meyer
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To: TLI
60-70 yards and 30-35 yards. This is not a well-trained individual, probably mediocre to average. Also it is telling that they are picking such short ranges.

You can call it a lot of things but it ain't sniping. At a few hundred yards, you can call it sniping.

33 posted on 08/17/2003 10:58:54 AM PDT by meyer
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To: mrustow
Interesting article. I missed that thread when it was originally up. Let's not forget that Williams/Mohammad (I've always called him that and always will) and Malvo also randomly shot black victims.

These were black serial killers, to be sure, but they were also black Muslim serial killers. Their targets were infidels, because many consider themselves the new Master Race cleansing the world. Williams/Mohammad and Malvo sure did.

34 posted on 08/17/2003 11:12:48 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Because the real witness description was of a member of a protected minority. It's always safe to blame a white redneck though.

This isn't the result of "profilers" sitting around twiddling their thumbs while trying to maintain political correctness. The description of an overweight white man comes straight from witness IDs, nothing more.

Besides, not to put too fine a point on it, but the white/black percentage in Charleston, WV is ~81/15. (In West Virginia overall, it's ~95/3.) In Washington it's ~31/60. The chances of the West Virginia sniper being black are far lower than it ever was in the DC metro area.

35 posted on 08/17/2003 11:13:11 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: cardinal4
Why isnt this mainstream news?

It was one of the top stories on Fox last night.

36 posted on 08/17/2003 11:15:50 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Hmmm. What's the ratio of black population to blacks convicted of felonies?
37 posted on 08/17/2003 11:23:56 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: sonsofliberty2000

The fact-finding commission immediately concluded that the sniper was in fact a White, Christian male, probably a Republican, too. They refused to elaborate on their findings when questioned as the crier had called out for the Salaah to commence and prayer was begining...

38 posted on 08/17/2003 11:28:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: mrustow
I have never hear of the Zebra murders (ever). I've heard of Dahmer, Bundy, Son of Sam, Manson and others...but never this one. Interesting.

Gum

39 posted on 08/17/2003 11:39:20 AM PDT by ChewedGum ( http://king-of-fools.blogspot.com)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
And duh, uh, Chief Cheesey Moose said police would not be racial profiling to omit Blacks and concentrate on honky males who, smoke unfiltered Camels, drink Coors beer, and drive around with NRA bumper stickers displayed on their white vans.

Now that you put it that way, I have newfound compassion for Moose. Anyone who drinks Coors p--s water deserves to be profiled. In fact, whereas the Founding Fathers foresaw an extremely limited federal role in law enforcement, I'm sure they would have approved of the harshest federal criminal penalties being imposed on those who traffic in, possess, or imbibe Coors products.

40 posted on 08/17/2003 11:40:00 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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