A divisive debate over the Bible spotlighted Episcopalians' OK for gay bishop

Naples Daily News ^ | August 16, 2003 | Richard N. Ostling, AP

[sweetliberty]

The liberals are merely willing pawns of Satan. Satan spends more time in church than anywhere else simply because he has to work harder at getting cooperation there. Still, within the church is where he most NEEDS willing accomplices.

[N. Theknow]

ECUSA to Jesus, "We have decided that sin does not matter. You died for nothing. Now don't you feel stupid?

Jesus to the ECUSA, "Not nearly as stupid as the parishioners who think your Holy Eucharist still means something."

[MissAmericanPie]

You are right about that, but God did not call them liberals, he called them the children of Satan.

As for homosexuality only being mentioned a couple of times in the bible they leave out the sternest warning, "no thief, liar, adulterer, man that lies with man, man that dress's in drag, no murderer, shall see the kingdom of God".

Psalms 22, written by David about Christs thoughts on the cross, wrote, "the dogs emcompass me". Dogs as translated by the Strongs are homosexuals. Homosexuals stood at the foot of the cross mocking Jesus. For Christ to refer to them as dogs should send fear sparkling through their very atoms. But part of the just recompense they receive into their own bodies is a seared conscience.

Jude 1 speaks of these apostates in the church who are preordained to this condemnation. Proverbs 7 speaks of the apostate church of the end times. It is not limited to one denomination. These events serve to point out where we are in the history of the world, we are in the "end times" and at the door step of "tribulation". Will it be twenty years or fifty? We don't know that, we can only know by the markers left along the road. Apostates in the church is certainly one of those markers.

[Servant of the Nine]

"The Bible has no sex ethic," Wink says. "It only knows a communal love ethic" exemplified by Jesus' command to love your neighbor as yourself, which requires Christians to understand gays' experiences.

To understand something does not require condoning it.

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[VOYAGER]

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22, an Old Testament law repeated with the death penalty in Leviticus 20:13). "God gave them up to dishonorable passions.

Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural,

the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another,

men committing shameless acts with men and

receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error" (the Apostle Paul in Romans 1:26-27).

WHAT PART OF THE TRUTH IS CAUSING UNBELIEVERS TO KICK AGAINST THE OX GOADS AND REFUSES THEM ENTRANCE INTO THE JOY OF OUR LORD?

[SES1066]

Very Good as I, for at least one, still regard the Holy Eucharist as essential for my well being.

What concerns me is the sheer eagerness to throw out 2000 years of Christian Doctrine after so minimal debate. As Oliver Cromwell spoke to his contemporaries; "I beseech you ... consider that you may be wrong!"

[JesseHousman]

WHAT PART OF THE TRUTH IS CAUSING UNBELIEVERS TO KICK AGAINST THE OX GOADS AND REFUSES THEM ENTRANCE INTO THE JOY OF OUR LORD?

They've allowed their unnatural lust to erode their souls. They belong to satan.

[VOA]

Regarding Romans 1 and other New Testament passages, liberals often say these merely
meant to oppose same-sex activity that was exploitative (using slaves or boys).

And to think some of these "liberals" are seminary professors being
paid good salaries to come up with this B.S.

[Tokhtamish]

This was bad.

Now with "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" being plastered all over prime time the obvious determination of media elites to ram the "queer lifestyle" down everyone's throat will force a pretty powerful backlash. It is not as if the media is even pretending to be neutral.

Manners and mores flow back and forth. Several months ago I saw a marvelous article linked from "Breakpoint" which used the analogy of alcohol. It pointed out that in screwball comedies of the Thirties getting drunk regularly was a sign of sophistication. A hangover then was something like the coke spoon around the disco sophisticate's neck in 1978. Attitudes towards alcohol as to cocaine have shifted quite sharply.

An error the left continually makes is that of inevitability. Assuming that they are the zeitgeist, the wave to the future, the vanguard of history.

[lilylangtree]

"shed old Bible interpretations that are "life-denying and intellectually dishonest."

Can visualize God laughing at humanity's hubris.

[JesseHousman]

What concerns me is the sheer eagerness to throw out 2000 years of Christian Doctrine after so minimal debate.

Satan's work is completed in short order. Commitment to God is a lifetime and an eternity.