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Family of 20 determined to keep condemned home
Scranton Times-Tribune ^ | 8/15/03 | Andrew Scott

Posted on 08/15/2003 5:03:16 PM PDT by Born Conservative

A North Scranton family with 18 children is determined to keep their Habitat for Humanity home, which was declared unfit for human habitation last month.

The city condemned the 2517 N. Main Ave. home of Charles and Barbara Smith on July 29 for debris outside and inside the house, and because the Scranton Sewer Authority shut off the water on July 24, said Bill Fiorini, director of permits, inspections and licensing.

Mr. Smith, who said the city should have let his family stay in the house while they correct the violations, said they have until October to fix the problems or else they will lose the house.

The Smiths and 14 of their children, ages 3 to 21, are staying several blocks away at the home of one of their older sons, Mr. Smith said.

Habitat for Humanity, which renovates abandoned houses into affordable homes for first-time, low-income owners, bought and fixed up the North Main Avenue duplex for the Smiths, converting it into a single-family home with 10 bedrooms and three bathrooms. In March 2000, the family moved in.

As the largest biological family ever to obtain a house through Habitat for Humanity, the Smiths were featured in the Sunday New York Times as well as on the ABC-TV newsmagazine "20/20."

But the family, relying solely on Mrs. Smith's income as a housekeeper, fell behind on their sewer payments by 13 months, owing $1,600 to the Scranton Sewer Authority, Mr. Smith said Thursday afternoon. As a result, their water was shut off.

A former auto mechanic, Mr. Smith said he is no longer able to work because of heart problems. The family kept up on their $115-a-month mortgage payments and other utility bills, but those and other expenses left no money for sewer payments, which were $123 a month, he said.

"We busted our humps to get that house through Habitat," Mr. Smith said. "Whatever it takes, we're getting back into that house. We don't want people making us out to be a bad family just because we're having a hard time maintaining our house. We're decent people. We're just having a tough time because we're low income."

Mr. Smith said the violations include some damaged light bulb fixtures, which he said he tried to repair, and a missing electrical junction box lid in the laundry room, which he said he replaced. He said other violations included missing ceiling tiles in the pool table room, which he said he took down after his children damaged them with pool sticks.

Habitat director Ozzie Quinn said his agency and Lackawanna County Children and Youth Services support keeping the family in their home.

Children and Youth caseworker Kerry Kimmick said her agency deemed the home habitable for children during its last visit there, but said she couldn't recall when the last visit took place. Ms. Kimmick said the agency has not visited the home since it was condemned. And without a copy of the list of code violations, Children and Youth cannot determine if the house is still fit for children, she said.

"The city should have notified us before condemning the house," Mr. Quinn said. "Had we known ahead of time, we could have tried to prevent this."

Mr. Fiorini said the city did not notify Habitat because the Smiths own the home, even though the Smiths make mortgage payments to Habitat.

"The family didn't let us know they were having problems keeping up on the utility payments. Otherwise, we would have tried to help," Mr. Quinn said.

"We didn't let anyone know because we don't like going to others for help unless it's absolutely necessary," Mr. Smith said. "We don't like being thought of as one of those families who take assistance they don't really need."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: habitatforhumanity; scranton
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To: annyokie
I think that one should have as many children as they want to have, as long as they can SUPPORT them without stealing money from me. The trashing of the house is ridicules. If their mortgage was as high as mine, they sure as hell would not have trashed it. I guess there are different calibers of people, those that default on a $115.00 dollar mortgage and those that don't default on a $1500.00 dollar mortgage.

I can barely support two children. I have two children. We ain't going to have sixteen more.

PS: I didn't slam you either.

21 posted on 08/15/2003 6:03:00 PM PDT by Eaker (This is OUR country; let's take it back!!!!!)
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To: willieroe
'Oh my God, how do you do it?' "

Obviously, every chance he gets.

22 posted on 08/15/2003 6:03:27 PM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: annyokie
Well, stand back dearie, I am going to slam you too.

My mother was one of twelve children. Most of those children had large families of eleven, twelve and even seventeen children. I am in the process of organizing a reunion for the direct decendents only of my mother's father and mother. I have not done a head count yet, but some have told me that it might be close to eight hundred people.

And you know what? Only a dozen or so have been rumored to be deadbeats.

Who are you to dictate the number of children a parent can have?
23 posted on 08/15/2003 6:03:59 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: jeffsher
Sounds like the scumbag father can't even discpline his own children.
24 posted on 08/15/2003 6:09:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Conservababe
Slam away. My former mother in law was one of 16, FIL one of 12; together they had 10 (living) children.

My grandmother is one of 16, two sets of twins, one set of triplets. Her husband one of 17 (all boys).

Not a deadbeat in the bunch. Sorry you weren't so lucky.

Support the little buggers, is all I can say to your post.

Have fun at the reunion and remember the name tags.
25 posted on 08/15/2003 6:09:16 PM PDT by annyokie (Less Conservative than thou, but still a Republican.)
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To: Eaker
I hear you and I know you didn't slam me. I have three of my own and it's a struggle.
26 posted on 08/15/2003 6:10:24 PM PDT by annyokie (Less Conservative than thou, but still a Republican.)
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To: Conservababe
Who are you to dictate the number of children a parent can have?

They can have as many children as they want. If they can't afford them then they need to mow my yard and kiss my ass while they are stealing money from me in the form of deadbeat handouts.

As long as I am paying for their food and housing they can change my oil, vacuum my carpet and do my laundry.

If you cannot afford a Mercedes don't buy one. If you cannot afford 10 or 20 children DON'T HAVE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

27 posted on 08/15/2003 6:13:20 PM PDT by Eaker (This is OUR country; let's take it back!!!!!)
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To: Eaker
Oh, I do agree completely.

I was responding to another post that said "in any case" people shouldn't have large families.
28 posted on 08/15/2003 6:15:08 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
Sorry for the harshness.

I am just sooooooooo tired of losing 50% of my income to deadbeats via corrupt politicians.

Enjoy your reunion; it would be nice to have the moral support and camaraderie of a large family.

29 posted on 08/15/2003 6:21:49 PM PDT by Eaker (This is OUR country; let's take it back!!!!!)
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To: jeffsher
He can't work because of a heart problem, but he can father 18 children.

And all of them, apparently, like their daddy: unable to do a lick of work (like picking up the garbage out of the front yard or sweeping the kitchen floor).

30 posted on 08/15/2003 6:24:07 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: strela
LOL!!
31 posted on 08/15/2003 6:28:14 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: mombonn
'Oh my God, how do you do it?' "

Obviously, every chance he gets.
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Yeah but it takes two to tango. She should have made that old goat sleep on the roof. (I assume these...these...people [and I use the term loosely] are on welfare).

32 posted on 08/15/2003 6:33:16 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: Eaker
Out of twenty people only ONE has a job????????????

Chips off the ol' block, I'd say. Kids as young as 14 can usually find some way to earn money, and a guy with a heart ailment certainly could. The VP of the US has had heart problems for years, and he's not exactly on welfare.

33 posted on 08/15/2003 7:03:16 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: jeffsher
Mr. Smith said the violations include some damaged light bulb fixtures, which he said he tried to repair, and a missing electrical junction box lid in the laundry room, which he said he replaced. He said other violations included missing ceiling tiles in the pool table room, which he said he took down after his children damaged them with pool sticks.

A pool table? I work and have 1 kid and no pool table.

I don't have a problem with big families. I do have a problem with people who spit out kids just to spit them out and leave them to themselves. There is no valid excuse why they would trash the house. Some people need to learn to control themselves and their get.

34 posted on 08/15/2003 7:13:50 PM PDT by Jaded (But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Mat. 5:44)
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To: speekinout
Funny you should say that...I just got off the phone with my 8 yr old granddaughter...lots of construction going on in her neighborhood...(keep in mind, she's only eight - going into 3rd grade)and in the last two weeks, she's made over $150 profit with her mom and little sisters, pulling a wagon and cooler full of pop, to sell at 50 cents/can to the construction workers/roofers (and again, her mom is right beside her).

At eight years old, she knows the thrill/and pride of earning her own money...of course, American Girl will benefit the most....ha.
35 posted on 08/15/2003 7:19:50 PM PDT by SandyEgo
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To: SandyEgo; humblegunner
At eight years old, she knows the thrill/and pride of earning her own money...of course, American Girl will benefit the most....ha.

This is a perfect place to brag about yer boy's resourcefulness!!

36 posted on 08/15/2003 7:28:55 PM PDT by Eaker (This is OUR country; let's take it back!!!!!)
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To: speekinout
Hell, I am a regular psycho and hold a job!

If I can keep a job anybody can!!!!


Eaker

37 posted on 08/15/2003 7:31:02 PM PDT by Eaker (This is OUR country; let's take it back!!!!!)
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To: Eaker
"This makes me sick ping"

Yep!
The big misconception of liberals who condone these giveaway programs is that the value of the gift is constant.
There is nothing we get in life that has a constant value to all people.
The value changes according to our priorities and according to the amount of work we have to put out to get it.
If it costs very little, it has very little value.

38 posted on 08/15/2003 7:31:31 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Eaker
aaaah - it's a girl...but thanks anyway. Sometimes a girl to have that resourcefulness that you spoke of, is more important than a boy... it's more difficult for us. ha
39 posted on 08/15/2003 7:39:35 PM PDT by SandyEgo
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To: Jaded
A pool table? I work and have 1 kid and no pool table.

According to the New York Times article from 2000, practically all of the furniture in the house, including, I assume, the pool table, are donations from local individuals.

40 posted on 08/15/2003 7:44:51 PM PDT by willieroe
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