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To: The UnVeiled Lady; Catspaw; habs4ever; Robert_Paulson2; lugsoul; Labyrinthos
What part of "establish" don't you understand?

$125,000,000.00 of Alabama taxpayer money went to pay for legal expenses and "consultants", all so Roy Moore could do a fundraising stunt for his televangelist buddies at Coral Ridge (affiliated with Paul and Jan Crouch). Who did it go to? On what? Who was controlling the invoices? Are a bunch of cracker lawyers and preacher types living an extravagant lifestyle courtesy of the taxpayers of Alabama?

10 posted on 08/15/2003 4:27:31 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("what if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I've got news for you, even some Muslim groups in this country think this wacko interpretation of the establishment clause is ludicrous.

Congress has passed no law ESTABLISHING a religion. We're tired of having our history stripped from us. As goes our common history and culture are destroyed, so are we. If this evil lawsuit had never been filed, the taxpayers of the state of Alabama wouldn't be paying to defend against it.

The same thing is happening in front of a courthouse in Chester County PA. In fact, similar suits are being fought all over this country. This is NOT a "fundraising stunt" for Moore and his "televangelist buddies at Coral Ridge". This is national.

12 posted on 08/15/2003 4:38:38 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
What part of "establish" don't you understand?

$125,000,000.00 of Alabama taxpayer money went to pay for legal expenses and "consultants", all so Roy Moore could do a fundraising stunt for his televangelist buddies at Coral Ridge (affiliated with Paul and Jan Crouch). Who did it go to? On what? Who was controlling the invoices? Are a bunch of cracker lawyers and preacher types living an extravagant lifestyle courtesy of the taxpayers of Alabama?


First of all: cracker lawyers? WTF?

Second, your argument here is not actually against the display of the Ten Commandments, but against any public monuments in general, to include statues, memorials, or any works of "art" displayed on public grounds. Money is spent on those things routinely, so you cannot object to the Ten Commandments monument without objecting to all of them, unless you admit that you object to this specific monument only becuase it has religious implications, in which case you're just using the pretense of taxpayer outrage to promote your bias against religious belief.

Yes, much money has been spent on this legal battle, but before you go criticizing these "crackers" for that expenditure, you should remember that this money would not have had to be spent if the federal judiciary did not insist on overstepping its boundaries and infringing on the rights of the state of Alabama to decide its own affairs. There is nothing in the First Amendment that forbids this display. The First Amendment is about freedom, not about restriction. It means that if a local community wants to display religious symbols, it can and the federal government is forbidden to stop them. Remember:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

People always want to see the first part but not the second. Since the money spent by Alabama in this case was for the purpose of defending our constitutional rights and the rights of states, I consider it money well spent. If Moore is grandstanding just to make this a public fight, then more power to him; it's about time we had it out. God bless Judge Moore.
48 posted on 08/15/2003 6:24:45 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Coral Ridge is a Presbyterian Church in Ft. Lauderdale, FL, in no way affiliated with Pentacostals Paul and Jan Crouch.

I simply do not believe that 125 MILLION dollars has been spent on this by Roy Moore or consultants. What is your source on that?

Moore is not congress, and he isn't esablishing a religion either....

What part of the 10th Ammendment do you not understand?
57 posted on 08/15/2003 6:43:21 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Funny, my first post on FR because I feel so strongly about is. I actually read the opinion of the court, and Moore's defense was laughable! I urge you to read the opinion of the court on this case.
63 posted on 08/15/2003 6:54:27 PM PDT by Lurkd Long Enough (Proudly lurking since 1999)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"[A]ll so Roy Moore could do a fundraising stunt for his televangelist buddies at Coral Ridge (affiliated with Paul and Jan Crouch)."

Yeah, yeah -- It's those d@mn Evangelist Christians from Alabama faking patriotism of their American Founding Fathers'Judeo-Christian heritage. This latest theory of yours is absolutely comical.

As is your modus operandi at FR, you can always be counted on to take a cheap shot or swipe at Christians or what you perceive as conservatives...

Thanks for never disappointing.

103 posted on 08/15/2003 8:35:16 PM PDT by F16Fighter (If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
$125,000,000.00 of Alabama taxpayer money went to pay for legal expenses and "consultants", all so Roy Moore could do a fundraising stunt for his televangelist buddies at Coral Ridge (affiliated with Paul and Jan Crouch). Who did it go to? On what? Who was controlling the invoices? Are a bunch of cracker lawyers and preacher types living an extravagant lifestyle courtesy of the taxpayers of Alabama?

And if they are, what role does the federal government have in correcting this problem? Oh that's right, none. It's up to the people of Alabama.
112 posted on 08/15/2003 10:35:44 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I guess if you don't have facts, FUD and character assassination will do just as well, huh? What part of establish don't YOU understand? The first amendment was a restriction ON THE POWER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT upon the states themselves! Stop spreading lies.
133 posted on 08/16/2003 3:31:27 PM PDT by =Intervention= (Moderate pubs and the liberals -- you know they love to get along....)
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