Posted on 08/15/2003 10:40:56 AM PDT by NautiNurse
Terri was admitted to Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater, Florida on Wednesday, August 13th. Hospice did not notify Terri's family of this and they did not find out until almost 24 hours later of their daughter's whereabouts. Michael Schiavo has given instructions not to discuss Terri's condition with her family. We will update this as soon as we know more.
Glenn Beck brought this up during his radio broadcast this morning.
This past week, two very prominent issues briefly set Internet news discussion sites ablaze: 1) Terri Schiavo's impending court ordered starvation unto death; 2) the conflict between federal and state rights regarding a Ten Commandments monument set up in an Alabama Court building. The outrage factor from conservative Christians appears to be about equal in magnitude on both issues. And that perplexes me because I see a huge difference in the issues at the heart of both controversies.
First, let me be clear that Im not accusing conservative Christians of treating these two issues as either/or, in duplicity; many upset at the planned execution of Terri Schiavo by court ordered starvation probably have little or no knowledge of the Ten Commandments story, and vice versa. Second, both issues have liberals in the opposition to the conservative Christian perspective. But which issue is more illustrative of the terrible degradation our nation has reached? Asked that way, I would hope that Christians could point immediately to the plight of Terri Schiavo, but when Ive asked that on various discussion threads, responses tend to be delayed, like the responders are having to think it over! THATs what perplexes me, that Christians have become so easily manipulated by the agree to disagree treachery through which so many liberal societal standards have chipped away at our nations moral fiber.
Heres an excerpt from a FreeRepublic.com thread where Terri Schiavos peril was being discussed (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/964817); two or three posters were defending the courts ordered execution of Terri based on the use of a feeding tube and the assertion that shes in a persistent vegetative state, which shes not based on my medical familiarity with that condition and well return to that in a moment (even that state would not allow organ harvesting because the person is considered to still be a living being not to be killed for their organs):
It's not that she CAN'T swallow. Swallow Studies have been prohibited because (get this) she might choke to death. I worked with people like her for 16 years, and such a decision is not just irrational (the alternative is to use the excuse that she can't swallow on her own to starve her to death) it is not supported by standard practice. Frankly, tube-feeding or swallowing isn't a substantive distinction anyway. The point is, her "husband" and a few liberal judges have gone out of their way to destroy the legal firewall between difficult life-conditions and actual brain-death.
This country must not allow a legal system which has been complicit in denying this woman any chance at recovery to murder her in the most painful and prolonged way.
Life is either sacred or elitists can decide who can live and who must die. ...
138 posted on 08/16/2003 9:58 PM EDT by Burr5
Im addressing this essay to fellow conservative Christians (not the Hildys or other abortion supporters lurking about), but the poster just cited said hes/she's an Atheist, yet she/he knows where the line of inhumane should be drawn without hesitation! Icons and minarets are not sacred, but human life should be to a conservative Christian, and he/she shouldnt have to stop and contemplate the gravity of icons as compared to living human beings.
So you may be asking yourself, Why is this guy getting so agitated about this; is this guy somehow related to Terri Schiavo or her family? The answer to the latter is no, and the answer to the former is all about defending the sanctity of individual human life. See, the same mindset that can defend the euthanizing of Terri Schiavo (rather than allowing her parents to care for her since her husband is no longer in the mood) is the mindset that will defend the exploitation of human embryos for their body parts, their stem cells, claiming the individual human embryo is not a full human being thus it is to be cannibalized for body parts to treat older individual humans.
Not even the phrase slippery slope conveys sufficient gravity for the slide this nation has taken over the past thirty plus years regarding the sanctity of individual dependent human life. Weve reached the stage in our devolution where those calling themselves conservative Christians are not sure whether human life is sacred based on the case by case contemplation the sanctity of human life has been replaced with utilitarianism based upon a situational ethic that confounds and nullifies the Christian ethic.
For decades now, courts have been making rulings regarding the harvesting of human organs for transplantation to aid other human beings. My own brothers body was harvested for tissues and organs that aided many people, after he had slipped into an irreversible comatose state where there was not even the glimmer of brain activity and his body functions were being maintained via machinery and medications. To take him for harvesting, a death protocol form had to be checked off. If he had not met the protocol, his body would not have been released for harvesting. The protocol establishes whether a functioning integrated whole human organism is still in evidence (and Terri fits that category more than adequately for she does breath on her own and does respond to stimuli both visual and painful).
But the question with Terri Schiavo is, What level of life support is deemed too much? Yes, that is really what this issue comes to, how much life support is a liberal society with liberal courts and judges willing to provide before deciding to pull the plug no, thats not right! What level of life support is a liberal society willing to provide before changing its mind and killing the burden? Now, thats more accurate.
A Christian conservative should never have to stop and weigh the situational ethic when it comes to approving life support for an individual human being, in a womb or in a hospital or hospice facility. That some do now have this dilemma when confronted with life issues is why abortion on demand has become more favored with un-planned pregnancies than adoption of the conceived individual human beings.
Soon, very soon in fact, our nation will face the issue of cannibalizing alive, very young individual human beings for their useful body parts. Oh to be sure, the first cases will not be more than days-old embryos, likely even embryos conceived outside a human body. But with the technological advances now being tested, it will be quite likely that embryos conceived in petri dishes will be life supported on into the fetal age of the alive individual, then served up for harvesting. It is, after all, only a matter of conservative Christians adjusting to the degrees of situational ethic. And folks, that really perplexes me!
While many peoples attention is fixed upon a monument in an Alabama courthouse, a woman is being court-order euthanized, to remove the inconvenience of her life support and avoid spending money to give her rehabilitation opportunities which have already been paid for by an insurance settlement. And that makes me very angry at US for tolerating such evil.
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[The above can be found on my blogpage (http://MHGinTN.blogspot.com), and there an addy is posted, to rail at me if one chooses ... but don't expect a reply, especially if from a liberal death cultists. I collect the novel ones for use in future publications.]
Who says you get to choose life or death for others? You can only choose life or death for yourself. You are not God. There is a big difference in someone being brain dead and someone who is awake, shows recognition of a mother.
In addition - the husband has never provided funds for rehabilitation. He does not have the right to judge her on her status without medical attention to improve that status.
What a bunch of inane reasoning. May you never be in the position that someone could claim that you said you wanted all your money given to them and you wanted them to put you out of your misery should you ever be unconscious. If your reasoning was worthwhile, any medical technician, any neighbor, any relative could come up with all kind of claims once you were unconscious temporarily.
If she said this - it should have been put in writing and witnessed because her life is at stake and her care in her time of sickness.
Just why are you so gung ho on protecting the right of a man to kill his wife?
The man has a choice and gets to continue living. He can get his way and kill her or he can abandon her and leave her to the parents to take care of. Both ways, he lives and no one takes away his life.
Why is he not wanting to turn over the care to the parents since they wish to keep her alive? They also wish the money to be spent on rehabilitation which has not been done.
The constant claims of "her wishes" as witnessed by the husband (who now has a live-in) and his relatives mean ending her life. Seems one would need a little more proof than that. These claims ring hollow when there is money involved.
IMHO he wants to move on with his life with the money. He does not want to get a divorce and have to give up the money - he wants her to die. He then will not have to pay her fees for another ten - twenty years and when the money is spent, be responsible for her expenses.
Since these are the realities of what happens to him - there are sufficient grounds to question his motives and the judge should be protecting her rights since she is unable to speak for herself. A husband should not have the power of attorney over a wife unless she has provided that power of attorney in writing and witnessed. She did not. Therefore it is his word only. His situation improves greatly if she dies. Therefore, the judge or some court agent should be speaking for her rights.
Where is your proof the parents are lying? If there is proof - what parent wouldn't lie if the life of their daughter was being destroyed.
I am very suspicious of why you are so gung ho to take away a human life (as long as it is not your life at this time).
It is all about what you want isn't it? Funny, the wife has no rights to live, the parents have no rights to keep their daughter alive - only you or that husband have a right here and they better watch out because they are insulting you or that husband.
What an absolute bunch of crock. Tap yourself on the head here - we are talking about life and death. You or the husband are not God, you and the husband are supporting killing a woman. You or the husband do not have that right unless you have been given a Power of Attorney and you were not.
The hospital better watch out because if she dies - those parents are going to hit the courts. There are civil cases you know. Sure sounds like a case of withholding rehabilitation treatment and wrongful death to me. Maybe murder to many.
That husband better just turn her over (with the money of course) to the parents and go on and divorce her and marry his live-in honey.
He does not want this woman - they do. Any judge should turn her over to the parents.
Oh, note that the husband has moved her so that he can proceed with the killing since he found a liberal judge willing to make life decisions on another and he does not want the parents to find her. And many here support such actions.
Better watch out - wives can do the same thing.
Just what do you base that opinion on? Where are we given any information that the soul leaves the body before death?
Why are so many willing to play God here? If her body is deteriorating - it will lead to death.
This is not a case of "her" wishes because we have nothing in writing - only the word of a husband who is tired of caring for her and his family.
Her family wants her alive - they should be allowed to take control of her and let him get out of the picture.
Why the strong urge to kill others, to judge they are not fit to live? If you believe this strongly, I hope you have done a Medical Power of Attorney and put it in writing so that this will be done to you in less than the 14 years as you wish.
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