U.S. Offshore Outsourcing Leads to Structural Changes and Big Impact

cio.com ^ | August 13, 2003 | Diane Morello

[a_Turk]

>> While good in principle, it does little to put food on the table or keep a roof over your head during the "bad times."

True. In God We Trust.

If we're good, inventive, imaginative, resorceful developers then we can get by. And what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger.

Never lose faith. Keep plugging away.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

The impending and inevitable conflict is what mainly drives me as well.

It amazes me that when I talk about outsourcing weakening the nation and strengthening our enemies, I am jeered at with calls of "get a minimum wage job!"

I don't need a job or want one. My kids don't need anything.

It is the whole of America that is endangered. We have real enemies, and we are giving them weapons to use against us.

[Lazamataz]

What kindf of industry do you work in, Dane?

In case he does not answer you, he admitted in another thread that he has been downsized. He didn't specify the industry.

[rdb3]

In that case I invite you to come up with a comprehensive list that may be added to my twelve point proposal especially under teh heading remove governmental regulation. i will probably agree with miost and be more than happy to include them under existing points or if you come up with additional points I will be happy to include those provided I am convinced they are conservative and help the business climate

Let me look at your points again. And don't worry. Nothing that comes from me will be Leftist.

I got a lotta livin' to do before I die, and I ain't got time to waste.

[N3WBI3]

Exactly, but in order to level you have to protect a bit, tariffs on a nation should make it so a decision to move is more based on worker productivity thanworker / environment cost..

[Marauder]

That presumes the managers can figure it out ...

They won't even try until the Chief (whatever) Officers in the walnut suites review the bottom line of the Income Statement, after which they get yelled at by the shareholders.

Then the CYA flurry begins, and it may take a while to sort it all out.

How long corrective action takes after that is anyone's guess.

[superloser]

I keep seeing "buggy whip maker" arguments coming from you and they don't hold water for one simple reason.

In each industry that has become obsolete, a new industry has risen to absorb the workforce that was made obsolete.

With offshoring, no industry becomes "obsolete" and there is no new industry to absorb the workers.

In terms of automation, generally, possibilities are created within the automation industry which absorb workers from the industry being automated.

Its cyclical in case nobody has noticed, but I see the demogagues here (as usual) can't see beyond their food dish. Woe to them when Uncle Adolf Stalin comes to take it away from them.

I hope you like a Communist/Socialist paradise because we're going to get it with that attitude.

[William Terrell]

PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999

Usually not necessary to read article. Plethora of moronic stand-alone comments to respond to.

[americanSoul]

Yeah, it's a push and pull type situation.

The massive amount of regulations (read time/money) imposed on an American employer is the push, while taxpayer funded indemnities and tax code incentives for foreign investment is the pull.

If HP firebombs in India, they and they alone should take the hit. Precisely.

[mhking]

BTW, earlier on this thread I noted that self-serve check out lines now lets one checker do the job of four, thus outsourcing three checker jobs.

Should this practice be banned?

Oh, please. Stop being obtuse.

Next you'll start whining about the demise of full-service gas stations.

[harpseal]

I like that business and when you get it going I may submit a resume or depending upon products sold may be a customer.

[harpseal]

Re #118 for reference

[Lazamataz]

I like that business and when you get it going I may submit a resume

Aw hell man.

I was gonna work for you!

[harpseal]

see your Freep mail

[harpseal]

Aw hell man.

I was gonna work for you

Since I will probably be just a customer or maybe we can work out a joint partnershipo agreement that possibiloity is not yet gone. see your Freepmail

[SouthParkRepublican]

"Next you'll start whining about the demise of full-service gas stations."

You have just touched on the one good thing about my home state of NJ! I want to be forever denied the privilege of pumping my own gas!

[harpseal]

Hey I may need someone to take over my existing business in case I work for someone else.

[Lazamataz]

Hey I may need someone to take over my existing business in case I work for someone else.

What's that I hear....? Opportunity knocking.....?

Freepmail

[Last Visible Dog]

I would say the boom was created by the internet because it was seen as new market channel (automation driven). The "irrational exuberance" that followed was the affect not the cause of the boom. Remember dot-com implies an internet address.

Put that way I see your point. Although I think the Y2K money was about 80% of the cause for the dot-com boom/bust - everybody was thinking all the Y2K cash in the tech companies came from the internet miracle so a lot of good venture capital went into worthless companies and in a few years it all went up is smoke with little to show for it except a lot of empty office space and a glut of second-hand Aeron chairs.

While “dot-com” refers to the Internet, the cause for the success and quick failure of the tech bubble had little directly to do with the Internet. The Internet was a completely new paradigm and people did not understand it.

I have a hard time referring to the Internet as part of the “automation cycle” in that the Internet has nothing directly to do with automation (although it can function as a vehicle or automation). The Internet is merely a revolutionary way to exchange data – nothing more, nothing less.

[Lazamataz]

Last Visible Dog

Everybody's got a cool screen name but me. :o(